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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:28:30 +0100, Derek > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:29:28 GMT, wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:25:44 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:10:54 GMT, wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:36:57 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:16:27 GMT, wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:09:24 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>>>>>On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:05:24 GMT, wrote:
>>>>>>>[..]
>>>>>>>> The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
>>>>>>>>slaughters,
>>
>> That was fact #1
>
>No, it isn't. The meat industry allows lives into its environment,
>but something else "provides" that life for the animals in it. The
>industry itself can't "provide" life anymore than hospitals can.
>
>>>>>>>>and the animals live and die in it as they do
>>>>>>>>in any other habitat.
>>
>> #2
>
>False. Wild animals live longer and die differently to farmed
>animals slaughtered in abattoirs.
>
>>>>>>>>They also depend on it for their
>>>>>>>>lives like the animals in any other habitat.
>>
>> #3
>
>False. Animals can live wild, so it's false to say they "depend"
>on being farmed to survive. Most if not all feral cattle are the
>result of escapees.
>
>>>>>>>>If people
>>>>>>>>consume animal products from animals they think are
>>>>>>>>raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for
>>>>>>>>more such animals in the future.
>>
>> #4
>
>False. There's no guarantee that animals will be raised in
>decent ways simply because more people consume them.
>In fact it's true to say that welfare standards have dropped
>in large scale farming and slaughter houses because of the
>heavier demand on these places.
>
>>>>>>>Most meatarians justify their diet using the same logic
>>>>>>>you use,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They know that what I point out is true.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've no doubt they believe it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So do you.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I don't.
>>>>
>>>> Which of the facts I mentioned above--don't snip them--do
>>>>you not believe?
>>>
>>>They aren't facts,
>>
>> They are all facts.
>
>No, they aren't.
>
>>>so I don't believe any of them.
>>
>> Because you don't like those particular facts.
>
>They aren't facts.
>
>> I'm extremely
>>glad that I don't have such a severe mental disorder as that. It
>>would scare me, and it should really scare the hell out of you.
>>You could very well end up hurting or killing someone you care
>>about, if you haven't done so already.
>
>yeah yeah yeah. Harrison, if anyone around here has a mental
>disorder, it is you, because I don't believe the weird rubbish you
>do, and only someone you've described above would believe the
>things you do, so it's obvious which out of the two of us has that
>mental disorder you've described. Now, stop trying to be offensive
>and aggressive, because you're not very good at it.
>
>>>>>>>and they use it because they intuitively know
>>>>>>>they are doing something terribly wrong when eating
>>>>>>>rights-holding farmed animals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That could only be true if there were rights-holding
>>>>>>farmed animals, but there are none.
>>>>>
>>>>>They and you believe they have rights,
>>>>
>>>> No, I sure don't. Which rights do you "think" I believe
>>>>they have?
>>>
>>>The right against you not to be farmed for your benefit.
>>
>> They obviously have no such right.
>
>They obviously do, according to you,

Not only are you a liar, but you're a damn idiot too.