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In article >,
"W. Baker" > wrote:

> Billy > wrote:
> : In article >,
> : "W. Baker" > wrote:
>
> : > Billy > wrote:
> : > : In article >,
> : > : "W. Baker" > wrote:
> : >
> : > : > : > I use both tomatoes and the reconstituted juice as that is what
> : > : > : > my
> : > : > : > original recipe caled for and it gave , for me, the right amount
> : > : > : > of
> : > : > : > tomato and liquid. this works with both fresh and canned
> : > : > : > tomatoes.
> : > : > : > Beign willing to use the canned gives one a longer season,
> : > : > : > particualy
> : > : > : > up
> : > : > : > north, when he ripe tomato seson is quite short adn the ones you
> : > : > : > can
> : > : > : > buy
> : > : > : > in the stores are nt worth it, canned are better.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Wendy.
> : > : >
> : > : > : It sounds very reasonable, but, without trying to sound
> : > : > : condescending,
> : > : > : I
> : > : > : only drink gazpacho during the summer. When the coolness, and the
> : > : > : bite
> : > : > : of the vinegar is refreshing. During the winter, like most people,
> : > : > : I
> : > : > : simply try to find the least insecticide ridden tomatoes that I
> : > : > : can,
> : > : > : and
> : > : > : wait grudgingly for the next season. Otherwise, for sauces, and
> : > : > : stews
> : > : > : ect., I look for the cans of tomatoes that say no salt added.
> : > : >
> : > : > : You can start your seeds anytime now. Some tomatoes are
> : > : > : determinants
> : > : > : that are only meant to be grown in pots (Glacier, Koralik, etc.).
> : > : > : Then
> : > : > : be sure to set out some basil plants. Basil, and tomatoes, are
> : > : > : right in
> : > : > : there with sweet corn as one of the delights of summer.
> : > : >
> : > : > i summer intermitantly in the Northern Catskills of NY. It really is
> : > : > zone
> : > : > 4 on top of my hill. Last frost can be early June adn firsts frost
> : > : > can
> : > : > be
> : > : > in early Sept, but is often later, say mid to late Sept. I no longer
> : > : > do
> : > : > much gardeningfor assorted reasons,
> : >
> : > : "just 3 tomato plants in a large tub on my deck and some flowers in
> : > : boxes to cheer the place up. "
> : > : -----
> : >
> : > : So you are a gardener. You can't be alone. Others there must garden
> : > : also, so there must be a nursery, no? Where you can buy starter plants.
> : >
> : > : I often think that the perfume that come from the tomato vines is
> : > : almost
> : > : as pleasant as the tomato fruit itself. Chacun ? son g?ut, they say,
> : > : but
> : > : as good as a tomato is, it is even better with basil.
> : >
> : > : I never had much use for parsley, until I grew it, then it suddenly
> : > : became a mainstay of the kitchen, especially with saut?ed mushrooms
> : > : with
> : > : shallots, or saut?ed snow peas, or carrots, or green beans. As a
> : > : garnish, it can go on all sorts of baked dishes.
> : >
> : > : A little food for thought. Herb plants can be annual, biennial, or
> : > : perennial. Perennial herbs, such as chives, lavender, oregano, thyme,
> : > : overwinter well in the ground. In most areas simply wait until a few
> : > : hard freezes and then cut back tall herbs to within 4 to 6 inches of
> : > : the
> : > : ground. In cold winter areas (USDA zones 3-5), add a 2- to 3-inch-thick
> : > : layer of shredded bark mulch on top of the herbs for added protection.
> : > : The bark will prevent the ground from freezing and thawing in winter,
> : > : making it less likely the herb roots will heave out of the ground,
> : > : desiccate, and die.
> : >
> : > : Happy gardening.
> : >
> : > : >
> : > : > Local tomatoes don't show up until well into July from the garden
> : > : > markets
> : > : > and the big farms are havign you pick'em end of season and canning
> : > : > tomatoes right after labor Day. I love gazpacho and hate to limit it
> : > : > to
> : > : > such a short season so make it once it is reasonably warm from the
> : > : > canned
> : > : > tomatoes and do the same in the Fall. I used to start all kinds of
> : > : > thigs
> : > : > from seed andin the early spring in NYC and bring them up in late May
> : > : > to
> : > : > the Catskills and had variable success. Now, with no car and usin
> : > : > the
> : > : > bus
> : > : > to get up ad down, this ha become impossible.
> : > : >
> : > : > Wendy
> : >
> : > : "To forget how to dig the earth and to tend the soil is to forget
> : > : ourselves."
> : > : - Mahatma Gandhi
> : >
> : > Billy, I am 77, use a rolling walker and have adult wet macular
> : > degeneration.
> : Sorry to hear that, but we are old. Shit happens. Strangely, I hope I
> : make it to 77. I'm 70 now. Yeah, I know, whenever we die, it is a major
> : inconvenience. I presume you've taken all the supplements.
>
> : > I am happy to have my fer deck plants and a botof basil
> : > onmy windosill in the winter. I jsut look at the reat of my gardens
> : > going
> : > to weed and seed adn try to remove the worst of the stinging nettles and
> : > big tall weeds as I can a few at a time.
>
> : You have stinging Nettles? Lucky you.
> : <http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Urtica+dioica>
>
> : > Of course there is a nursery.
> : Easy, I didn't mean to get you all worked up.
>
> : > Where do you think I get my 3 tomato plantsand flowers for my deck boxes?
> : >
> : > If I could still garden on the ground I would gladly do it,but it isno
> : > longer possible. I can't even drive anymore so have to get locals to
> : > take
> : > me to town to the stores fora few bucks. Few neighbors near meso I only
> : > go up every other week.
> : >
> : > Wendy
>
> : I know. The worst part of getting old is the continuing humiliations of
> : not being able to do what you used to be able to do. Hang on girl. Enjoy
> : the smell of the trees, and the sounds of the birds. There is that old
> : story about the guy who is chased of a cliff by a bear, but he catches a
> : root sticking out of the cliff. Then he sees that there is a pack of
> : wolves below him. He knows he is screwed, but then he sees a ripe
> : strawberry in front of him, growing from the cliff. He takes the
> : strawberry, eats it, and enjoys the taste. It's sort of the situation
> : that we are all in.
>
> : Enjoy the morning.
>
> When I am in NYC, where I am primarily, I am very little handicapped. I
> am able to walk fair distances, up to about 3 miles a day doing this and
> that. I attend(and walk to, concerts quite regularly and am able to shop
> and carry the packages home(hangig from the walker:-) the dity is a great
> place to get old. If I need it, I can, not only get groceries relived or
> evenordered by computer, but many restaurants will deliver food to my
> door. One need' feel that old or limited in such a setting. It is in the
> summer,when I go to the little house I have in the Catskills that all
> these limitations loom laarge. In the city I can even get on and off
> busses easily and for trips that would need the subway I niw cna use the
> special service at public transit cost tom, of Access-A-Ride which picks
> me up and delivers me whenever adn wherever I want to go.
>
> I don't need symathy, but just want to exlain why just recommending that
> someone garden more to get the benefit of all those vegetables is not
> always possible. by the way, except for Calcium and vitamin D, I take no
> supplements at all.
>
> Wendy


Sorry, if I sounded patronizing. As usual, I was mostly talking to
myself, and trying to encourage "Carp Diem". Sometimes I need to remind
myself.

I've only been to DooWa Ditty once, back in the early 60s. Loved the
sausage sandwiches around Washington Sq. Was stunned to see a Marxist,
and a Leninist, and a Trotskyist (sp?) bookstores all on the same block.
It was also the first time I saw people sleeping on the streets. Maybe
that's why when I think of New York, I think of Emma Goldman.

I enjoyed my stay, but cities wear me out. I like peace and quiet. I've
lived in Northern California for close to 50 years, near where the oaks
meet the Redwoods. Some of my fondest memories are from when our local
thoroughfare would get flooded out, and the traffic stopped. Even better
was when the power would go out for a few hours, too, and all you could
hear was nature. That wasn't an uncommon experience, a decade or so ago,
but now with flood control, it's traffic 24/7. Nothing like you have in
New York, of course. I guess I have the "princess and the pea" syndrome.

I have about 600 sq. ft. that I garden. The garden is on the north side
of a hill, under trees, and getting enough sunshine is always a problem.
I put some seedling out yesterday to catch some real sun, instead of
grow lights. Well, I guess I should go scatter some alfalfa on our
garden beds.

Have a good day.

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