On 03/18/2013 12:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 03/17/2013 09:29 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> What's unnatural? Are you calling vegetarianism unnatural?
>>
>> Yes. Our eyes on the front of our heads, not the sides.
>> We can not eat grass. We are born virtually blind and
>> helpless. We can not run 30 minutes after being born.
>> We do not have two stomaches. Yada, Yada, Yada.

> We can eat grass.

If you mean can we swallow grass, then yes. That is not what I meant.
We can not break down the cellulose like a real herbivore. We
need two stomaches for that.

> One of my customers bought bags of grass seed on a
> regular basis to be used for sprouts. He ate them.

Sprouts and full grown grass are two different things. We can
eat (digest) sprouts. They haven't developed the cellulose
to the point where they are just bran to us.

> Granted, most people
> don't eat grass but we could.

Yes we could swallow it. It is called "bran" to an omnivore.
We can't digest it.

> And no, we don't have two stomachs. Are you
> comparing us to cows?

Cow have two stomachs, so they can digest cellulose. We
can't. You missed the point.

> Because cows can eat corn too.

True. And it is really bad for them. It gives them ulcers [1]
[2] [3]. It is unnatural to feed them corn. That is why feed
lots have to race to fatten up cows before they kill them.
We are not carrion eaters.

> Are you saying that
> we can't eat corn?

We can. We shouldn't. It is like eating pure sugar. I
believed that stupid food pyramid and their healthy
carbohydrates monkey shine. I truly believe it is what
burned out my beta cells. I know we disagree on this subject.

> These days cows eat all sorts of things. Well, some
> cows anyway.

They use to feed dead cows back to cows. Gross. Cows are
not cannibals. Gave them Mad Cow disease. Hmmm.
Really thought that one out really well, didn't they.

>>
>> We are "omnivores", like bears. Except that bears are
>> carrion eaters, unless you think hot dogs are carrion,
>> then we are just like bears.
>
> No we're not.

Both humans and bears are omnivores. Neither one of us
are herbivores as neither one of us can digest grass
(cellulose). I am not sure what you are disagreeing with.

Their are four basic type of mammals:
herbivores
omnivores
carnivores
carrion eaters

We and bears are omnivores. Bears are also carrion eaters.
Unless you think hot dogs are carrion, then ...


> Just because we *can* eat things doesn't mean that we should.

100% agree.

>>
>> By the way, lack of Acetyl L-Carnitine causes neuropathy.
>> See what I am getting at?
>>
> Nope. Except that you seem very misguided on a lot of things.

Play nice with the other children in the sand box.

> Cite for
> lack of Acetyl L-Carnitine causing neuropathy?

Absolutely! [4] [5] Could this have been a contributing
factor to your neuropathy? Vegetarianism causes all kinds
of nerve damage if you are not careful to supplement
and/or cheat on your diet (or eat figs). [6] [7] [8] [9]

>
>> Vegetarianism is unnatural. We are not cows or horses.
>
> It's not unnatural for me or all of the other vegetarians and vegans on the
> face of this earth.

Oh yes, it is unnatural. So is space travel. It is up to the beholder
to judge whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. I am not
trying to offend you.

If you are a strict, true vegetarian, meaning you do not consume
any animal nutrition (insects or meat [and fish is meat]) or use
science to synthesize what you are missing, you will get very ill and
risk death. I would posit anything that hurts someone is a bad thing.

Some unnatural things are not bad things, like taking metformin.

We can survive as pure carnivores, as do the Inuits [11], but we can
not survive as pure vegetarians.

That being said, very few vegetarians really are. They are just
picky eaters. They eats bugs (figs [12] and bugs in their grains),
milk, eggs, fish, chicken and on and so forth.

"Some" vegetarians do it to condescend. Makes them feel good about
themselves without actually making the effort of being good people.
Most vegetarians I know are doing it for their health -- to each his
own. Hope they supplement and/or cheat on their diet. A lot of
the meat we consume (not me) is pretty unhealthy. Not because
meat is unhealthy, it is not, but because of what is in the meat
and the unhealthy conditions it is raised under.

>>
>>> What's a fat suite?
>>
>> It is a rubber suite that makes you look fat. Pretty
>> realistic looking too. Lots of bigotry against fat people
>> out there.

> Those fat suits that I have seen make the person look grossly obese. I have
> never been grossly obese. I have been fat. I am fat. I have been thin. I
> have been very thin. Some of the most cruel remarks that people made to and
> about me came about when I was thin.

Back before the television, I have seen adds for weight gain products
that made big fun of skinny girls [13]. They implied a skinny girl
could not get married, among other things.

> As a fat person, I have only ever had
> one person make comments about my weight. That person makes nasty comments
> to and about any person who is overweight. He himself is very overweight.
> More overweight than I am. This person has a lot of other issues and isn't
> the most socially adept person. So his comments to me are meaningless.

The proper response to folks like that is "Bite Me!" Ignore people
like that.

>
> Yes, I have seen those shows on TV and read magazine articles and such about
> how the people in the fat suits were mistreated. But it could also be that
> they were carrying themselves differently than normal. I just don't know.

Trust me, is because they are fat.

> I see plenty of fat people around here. People who are fatter than me.
> I've yet to hear anyone make a disparaging comment about them.

Keep those friends!

>
> My dad was and is fat. He had a very good career. Went far up in the
> company. His weight didn't affect that at all.

There is hope. Females suffer from fat bigotry far worse than
men. And since dieting makes you fat [10], guess what
happens to women when they give into to social pressure
and diet? (Should that have been a question mark or a period?)

Men suffer from being "success objects".

Our goal in society should be to judge people based on the
strength of their character. Not what they look like.

-T


1) http://vet.sagepub.com/content/18/2/143.full.pdf

2) http://www.johnrobbins.info/blog/grass-fed-beef/

3)
http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wbc/...sionsimple.pdf

4)
http://www.naturalmedicinejournal.co...n=2&article=77

5) https://www.google.com/Acetyl+L-Carnitine+neuropathy

6) http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09324.html

7) http://www.medicinenet.com/vegetaria...diet/page2.htm

8) http://www.drnickcampos.com/health-n...deficiency.htm

9)
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-veganism.aspx

10) http://www.alternet.org/story/91890/..._makes_you_fat

11)
http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-p...se-and-cancer/

12) http://science.howstuffworks.com/zoo...s/fig-wasp.htm

13) http://www.retronaut.com/2011/11/vin...ight-gain-ads/