On 23/01/2013 4:13 PM, graham wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 23/01/2013 1:13 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>
>>>> Someone please explain to me: why does any ordinary citizen need an
>>>> assault-type weapon, and why does any ordinary citizen need a magazine
>>>> with more than 6 or 7 rounds of ammunition? And I am not interested
>>>> in answers that say "it would be a first step in taking away Second
>>>> Amendment rights," because that is not logical.
>>>
>>> In a recent case a woman shot a home invader and hit him 6 times, and he
>>> was
>>> able to run away.
>>
>>
>> Hit six times and "ran away"?????
>> I'll need a cite for that.
>>
> Wasn't there a case not long ago where a guy tried to rob a bar (?in NYC)
> but didn't know it was where the cops drank? In the resulting shootout,
> some of the cops were wounded by their colleagues.
> So much for training, eh?
>
>


Yep. I remember reading about that one a few years ago. There were at
least five cops shot .... by "friendly fire"

Along a similar line was the case in New Orleans <?> where a guy bought
his grandmother a gun for self defence. For some reason, the cops
tried to raid her house. The original story was that she shot 5 cops
before gunned gunned her down. The subsequent investigation determined
that the cops were all shot by other cops.

I just don't get this whole firearms for self defence stuff. There are
lots of guns up here, but you have to jump through hoops to get the
licence to buy or own them, and they have to be safely stored here.
There is no doubt that there are some people who think they need them to
guard their castles but there are some facts to deal with.... like that
you can't do that here. You can only use lethal force to counter a
likely lethal force, and forget about using a handgun, because that will
be locked up and trigger locked and ammo stored elsewhere... by law. If
you have time to go and get the gun and unlock it and get the ammo....
you weren't in that much danger.


The overwhelming majority here seem to like it that way, including
this gun owner. Go figger... our murder rte is lower, our firearms
homicide rate is much lower. People here just don't feel a need to be
armed for self defence, and there are fewer victims. If guns were useful
for self defence, you should expect the exact opposite.