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>> >On Oct 10, 9:56 pm, dh@. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
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>> >> >On Oct 10, 4:28 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
>> >> >> "Rupert" > wrote
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>> >> >> > >> Check this out Its great
>> >> >> > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
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>> >> >> > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
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>> >> >> > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
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>> >> >> > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".
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>> >> >> > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.
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>> >> >> > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
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>> >> >> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
>> >> >> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
>> >> >> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
>> >> >> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
>> >> >> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
>> >> >> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
>> >> >> significant health benefits.
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>> >> >> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
>> >> >> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
>> >> >> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
>> >> >> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.
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>> >> >I know plenty of vegans who have well-planned diets and are perfectly
>> >> >healthy, and at least two doctors have told me that it is a very good
>> >> >thing that I am vegan.
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>> >> Why would a doctor tell you it's good you're a vegan?
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>> >Presumably because they believed it to be the case.
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>> * * Being a vegan isn't only about your health.
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>Indeed. Obviously I never said it was.

I won't just take your word that you've never said it, but I pointed the
fact out for anyone else who might be unfamiliar with it. For some reason one of
the dishonest things I've seen veg*ns do is try to persuade people to believe
that sometimes veganism is just for health reasons, though we know it's not.

>> >> >It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
>> >> >diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
>> >> >especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
>> >> >about.
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>> >> You don't contribute to any decent lives for livestock, but only to the
>> >> deaths of wildlife. Hopefully he knows that much at least.
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>> >I have taken steps to reduce my contribution to the amount of
>> >suffering that takes place. I don't see any good reason to think that
>> >the strategy I've chosen is a poor one.
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>> * * You could contribute to decent lives for livestock, and probably to less
>> suffering at the same time.
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>Do you think that animals in the wild have "decent lives"?

Some do and some don't. In general I feel that domestic animals probably
have better lives than most wild animals. They also live longer imo. For example
though broiler chickens only live about 6-8 weeks it's still longer than most
ground nesting birds in general imo, probably most of them only successfully
raising a tiny percentage of chicks that hatch for more than a couple of weeks
at best. Even in larger animals I imagine the majority of offspring don't make
it very long, and the only time the majority do make it is when their non-human
predators have been pretty much if not entirely removed from the area.