On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 01:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
wrote:

>On Oct 11, 10:55*pm, dh@. wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
>> wrote:
>> >On Oct 10, 9:58 pm, dh@. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Oct 9, 8:06 pm, dh@. wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert > wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > > > > Check this out Its great
>> >> >> >> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> >> >> >> > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> >> >> >> > > How would you be in a position to know?
>>
>> >> >> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> >> >> >> > > > like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> >> >> >> > > Why?
>>
>> >> >> >> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>> >> >> >> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>> >> >> >They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>> >> >> >http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>>
>> >> >> It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
>> >> >> in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
>> >> >> than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.
>>
>> >> >How do you know?
>>
>> >> The only way it could not is if there are no wildlife in the area where the
>> >> grain is grown. Of course with rice it's not a question due to the flooding and
>> >> draining in addition to all the machinery and chemical deaths.
>>
>> >I don't really find your remarks convincing. We did an examination of
>> >one estimate for the expected collateral death rate associated with a
>> >serving of tofu in the past, and it turned out to be less than the
>> >corresponding estimate for grass-fed beef.
>>
>> * * I don't remember that, but feel that an estimate for number of deaths per
>> serving of grass raised beef should be much less than one.
>
>Yes, we did agree on that point.

The only way the average for tofu could be less than for beef would be if
there are no wildlife in the fields. That's not true with the cattle. Many
wildlife that would die in soybean fields thrive and do well in grazing areas.
It's another one of those things you don't like apparently, but it's true none
the less. Maybe you could learn to appreciate this one, and accept it? Or no?