On Oct 15, 2:50*pm, Rupert > wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:26*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
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> > On 10/15/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > > On Oct 15, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet.
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world-
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend.
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> athletes.
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit.
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders
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> > >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner
> > >>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record
> > >>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon),
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> > >>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they
> > >>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together?
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> > >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible
> > >>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet.
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> > >>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it.
> > >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of
> > >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism".
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> > >>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there.
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> > >>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans"
> > >>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists
> > >>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their
> > >>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy.
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> > >>>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it
> > >>>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet.
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> > >>>> No, it's not.
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> > >>> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds
> > >>> you think you have for disagreeing.
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> > >> What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive,
> > >> desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice.
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> > > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing
> > > me that you are correct?
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> > The very clear and obvious connection to all the other lists of "famous
> > 'vegans'" that are disproportionately populated by Hollywood starlets
> > and other pop culture buffoons.
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> Don't see any obvious connection, myself.
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> > >>>>>>>>>> * * * Any why is the list of *real*
> > >>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of
> > >>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long?
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> > >>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very
> > >>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance.
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> > >>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that.
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> > >>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact.
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> > >>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be?
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> > >>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who
> > >>>>>> have done nothing of substance.
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> > >>>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category?
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> > >>>> By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of
> > >>>> substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance.
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> > >>> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance.
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> > >> Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. *That's insubstantial.
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> > > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know.
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> > I know that they are most renowned for their efforts in support of "ar"
> > and/or "al". *Those are, of course, pure sophistry.
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> You have no particular grounds for that statement, and in any case
> there's much more to Peter Singer's career than that.
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> > >>>>>> * * Also, my observation that these lists
> > >>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by
> > >>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is
> > >>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially,
> > >>>>>> prominent medical doctors.
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> > >>>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would
> > >>>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of
> > >>>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good
> > >>>>> mathematician.
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> > >>>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all
> > >>>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population.
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> > >>> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim.
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> > >> Of course I have.
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> > > And what would that be?
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> > The fact that not one has ever been identified on a list of "famous
> > 'vegans'".
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> That's not an especially strong ground for the claim you made.
> Accomplished mathematicians are a small percentage of the population.
> If they were represented among vegans to a similar extent to the
> extent to which they are represented in the entire population, the
> number of accomplished mathematicians who are vegan would not be
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there's been a lot of talk about how the popular television series
Walking Dead is not realistic in its treatment of zombies. This
leads to a key zombie-vegan question. There's been conversations
about cradle-to-grave vegans. If a cradle-to-grave vegan is turned
into a zombie via an unfortunate chain of events,is it more realistic
to think the zombie-vegan would have a taste for meat, or that they'd
retain thier taste for vegan food.