On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward
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>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world-
>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend.
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>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the
>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are
>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did*
>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them
>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of
>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class"
>>>>>>>>>> athletes.
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>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit.
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>>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders
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>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner
>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record
>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon),
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>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they
>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together?
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>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible
>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet.
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>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it.
>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of
>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism".
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>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there.
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>>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans"
>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists
>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their
>>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy.
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>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it
>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet.
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>> No, it's not.
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> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds
> you think you have for disagreeing.

What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive,
desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice.


>>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real*
>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of
>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long?
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>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very
>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance.
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>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that.
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>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact.
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>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be?
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>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who
>>>> have done nothing of substance.
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>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category?
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>> By *all* means. Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of
>> substance. Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance.
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> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance.

Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. That's insubstantial.


>>>> Also, my observation that these lists
>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by
>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is
>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially,
>>>> prominent medical doctors.
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>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would
>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of
>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good
>>> mathematician.
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>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all
>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population.
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> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim.

Of course I have.