On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:50:47 -0500, Mike Lovell > wrote:

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>On 2012-08-21, dh@. <dh@> wrote:
>>>>>Lack of belief and lack of faith requires no faith.
>>>>
>>>> Being a strong atheist does.
>>>
>>>Which I'm not
>>
>> Maybe you're not. Maybe you are and are ashamed to admit it. The vast
>> majority of apparently strong atheists that I've encountered are ashamed of
>> their own faith. Very ashamed.
>
>Nah I'm not, implication won't change that.
>
>That's their problem really if they are ashamed. If you're ashamed of
>your beliefs, perhaps they need to be reexamined.

It seems that way to me. Some of them are ashamed of their faith in
everything they have faith in. Some of them are ashamed of their faith that
gravity will keep them from floating off the planet. LOL...it's amusing, but
also pathetic.

>>>You better talk to a strong atheist about this.
>>
>> You better talk to someone who asserts that there's a creator. Sometimes it
>> appears you like to think you're able to consider the possibility of his
>> existence, but you never show any evidence of it.
>
>There is no evidence for a creator.

You immune system is evidence of a creator, whether one exists or not.

>Doesn't mean I exclude the
>possibility.

You've given no indication that you're capable of considering the
possibility of God's existence in a realistic way.

>Deal with the facts and you won't be disappointed.
>
>>>>>And there's no evidence God exists,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a basic clue for you: If there were no evidence that God exists, no
>>>> one would believe that God exists. I doubt you'll ever be able to get as far as
>>>> that easy basic aspect of the situation, but no one would believe in God if
>>>> there were no evidence none the less.
>>>
>>>Wrong
>>
>> If there were no evidence of God there would be nothing for people to
>> believe in.
>
>It's called faith.

People have faith for reasons because of things that have happened to them.
Were you unaware of that? First people try to establish some relationship
through prayer, then things happen that indicate to them that they could have
been given some sort of responce. Then it happens again...and again...until they
develop faith. How did you think it worked? Did you think people pray and
nothing seems to happen, and they keep praying and nothing ever seems to happen,
but they still have faith that God exists? LOL...it probably has happened, but
not to anyone I've encountered or heard about.

>>>, it's called faith. Belief and faith.
>>>
>>>There's no evidence God exists.
>>
>> In contrast to that the belief and faith you referred to are in what people
>> consider to be evidence of God's existence. You really are clueless about some
>> basic stuff.
>
>You're claiming that belief and faith are evidence??

The reasons people have for believing are evidence to them, and what causes
them to develop faith.

>Yes I am clueless to that incorrect statement.
>
>>>> It does if God exists, almost certainly even if he's not aware that this
>>>> planet exists.
>>>
>>>Which hasn't been proved, so we cannot insert God into an explanation of
>>>anything.
>>
>> Some of us can consider possibilities involving the existence of God, and
>> others of you aren't able to. You probably amusingly want people to believe you
>> can for whatever reason, but I doubt you could explain why you'd want them to.
>
>There's zero point inserting God into things where God has not been
>proved to exist.

I'm even more convinced you can't explain why you'd want them to.

>Would you say this...
>
> "It does if giant invisible pink hippo exists, almost certainly even
> if he's not aware that this planet exists."
>
>
>You'd have to cover an almost infinite amount of things that cannot be
>proven to exist.
>
>Why pick God out of the list?

Because there's evidence that there has been some intelligent influence on
things that have developed on Earth, so I consider the possibility that there
was and is. I also consider the possibility that there was not, but don't put
faith in it being the correct one as some people do.

>Special pleading? ;-)
>
>>>>>Only a theist would keep inserting God into everything.
>>>>
>>>> An agnostic might too, but you can't get that far.
>>>
>>>An agnostic-theist might ;-)
>>
>> You're incapable but probably amusingly want people to think you're not. WHY
>> do you want people to think you're not, and HOW do you want people to try to
>> persuade themselves that you're not???
>
>Not what?
>
>I'm an agnostic-atheist. What am I trying to convince people I'm not??

You seem completely unable to consider possibilities involving the existence
of God, yet you also seem like you what people to believe you're not unable,
which you mean that you are able but there's no evidence at all that you are.
Aslo, so far you haven't been able to explain why you would want people to
believe you are able to consider possibilities involving the existence of God.

>>>>>Why not fairies, goblins and leprechauns??
>>>>
>>>> Try to figure it out. See if you can even get close.
>>>
>>>The fact you avoided the question gives me the answer I need ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Science teaches us about the things fairies do
>>>Science teaches us about the things goblins do
>>>Science teaches us about the things leprechauns do
>>>
>>>
>>>Why are these invalid yet "God" is valid?
>>
>> Because of things humans have learned about the possibility of some things,
>> but are still in no position to have learned about others. You might think
>> you're in the position to know God does not exist, which would be extra amusing
>> since I still suspect you want people to think you're also capable of
>> considering the possibility that he does exist.
>
>So what evidence do you have that God exists then??

To me what we're doing is evidence that God could exist.

>Why are those things above all invalid apart from "God". It's special
>pleading and it's indicative that you believe in God.
>
>
>Now maybe you do believe in God but are ashamed about it, I know a lot
>of theists like this --- He-he.

I consider the possibility of God's existence. You appear unable to. If you
were able to, do you think it would mean you do believe in God? Do you think for
some reason that if you were able to, it would mean you would have to?