On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:50:47 -0500, Mike Lovell >
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>On 2012-08-21, dh@. <dh@> wrote:
>>>>>Lack of belief and lack of faith requires no faith.

>> Maybe you're not. Maybe you are and are ashamed to admit it. The vast
>> majority of apparently strong atheists that I've encountered are ashamed of
>> their own faith. Very ashamed.

What "faith" is the returning serial liar lying about?

>Nah I'm not, implication won't change that.
>
>That's their problem really if they are ashamed. If you're ashamed of
>your beliefs, perhaps they need to be reexamined.
>
>>>You better talk to a strong atheist about this.
>>
>> You better talk to someone who asserts that there's a creator. Sometimes it
>> appears you like to think you're able to consider the possibility of his
>> existence, but you never show any evidence of it.
>
>There is no evidence for a creator. Doesn't mean I exclude the
>possibility.

Careful - the idiot will read into that what he wants to, not what you
mean.

Most of us don't even give it a thought because there's nothing
whatsoever in the real world that suggests one.

>Deal with the facts and you won't be disappointed.

He's a fundie - they can't.

>>>>>And there's no evidence God exists,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a basic clue for you: If there were no evidence that God exists, no
>>>> one would believe that God exists. I doubt you'll ever be able to get as far as
>>>> that easy basic aspect of the situation, but no one would believe in God if
>>>> there were no evidence none the less.

Here's a basic clue for the lying idiot: people do not believe because
it is real, but because they were taught to in childhood.

>>>Wrong
>>
>> If there were no evidence of God there would be nothing for people to
>> believe in.

People believe on all sorts of stupid things.

But why doesn't the moron try substituting another god he doesn't
believe in?

"If there were no evidence of Zeus there would have been nothing for
people to have believed in".

>It's called faith.
>
>>>, it's called faith. Belief and faith.
>>>
>>>There's no evidence God exists.
>>
>> In contrast to that the belief and faith you referred to are in what people
>> consider to be evidence of God's existence. You really are clueless about some
>> basic stuff.

The clueless moron is no different from all the other idiots who lie
about evidence for their hypothetical God - he bullshit's that there
is but never provide any.

>You're claiming that belief and faith are evidence??

He's an idiot.

>Yes I am clueless to that incorrect statement.
>
>>>>
>>>> It does if God exists, almost certainly even if he's not aware that this
>>>> planet exists.
>>>
>>>Which hasn't been proved, so we cannot insert God into an explanation of
>>>anything.
>>
>> Some of us can consider possibilities involving the existence of God, and
>> others of you aren't able to. You probably amusingly want people to believe you
>> can for whatever reason, but I doubt you could explain why you'd want them to.

What a ****ing moron.

>There's zero point inserting God into things where God has not been
>proved to exist.

Exactly.

These morons have no idea just how much work they have to do before
invoking it outside their religion.

Personal and other lies, fallacies etc instead of that, simply
reinforce the realisation that they have nothing.

>
> "It does if giant invisible pink hippo exists, almost certainly even
> if he's not aware that this planet exists."
>
>
>You'd have to cover an almost infinite amount of things that cannot be
>proven to exist.

Which is his problem, not ours - because until he justifies it instead
of lying about and to us, there is nothing even to give a thought to.

>Why pick God out of the list? Special pleading? ;-)

He doesn't even know what that means, let alone that it's a fallacy.

>>>>>Only a theist would keep inserting God into everything.
>>>>
>>>> An agnostic might too, but you can't get that far.
>>>
>>>An agnostic-theist might ;-)
>>
>> You're incapable but probably amusingly want people to think you're not. WHY
>> do you want people to think you're not, and HOW do you want people to try to
>> persuade themselves that you're not???

What a ****ing moron. A liar as well as an idiot.

>Not what?
>
>I'm an agnostic-atheist. What am I trying to convince people I'm not??
>
>>>>>Why not fairies, goblins and leprechauns??
>>>>
>>>> Try to figure it out. See if you can even get close.

What a ****ing moron.

>>>The fact you avoided the question gives me the answer I need ;-)

He's too stupid to realise this.

It's different for him therefore it is for everybody else too.

>>>Science teaches us about the things fairies do
>>>Science teaches us about the things goblins do
>>>Science teaches us about the things leprechauns do
>>>
>>>
>>>Why are these invalid yet "God" is valid?
>>
>> Because of things humans have learned about the possibility of some things,
>> but are still in no position to have learned about others. You might think
>> you're in the position to know God does not exist, which would be extra amusing
>> since I still suspect you want people to think you're also capable of
>> considering the possibility that he does exist.

What a ****ing moron.

>So what evidence do you have that God exists then??

None whatsoever.

>Why are those things above all invalid apart from "God". It's special
>pleading and it's indicative that you believe in God.

Special pleading is one example of begging the question.

He first has to show that it exists outside his deluded imagination,
for it to be different.

>Now maybe you do believe in God but are ashamed about it, I know a lot
>of theists like this --- He-he.