On Aug 14, 1:19*am, dh@. wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
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> >On 9 Aug., 23:43, dh@. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:37:45 -0500, Samuel Harrigon >
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> >> >Goo lied:
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> >> >> >> He's bullshitting, trying to be cute. *We know that what he means is
> >> >> >> "future farm animals" that haven't even been conceived.
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> >> >> > Well, actually, no, on this particular occasion it is clear that that
> >> >> > is not what he means.He's bullshitting. *He's equivocating on "unborn animals", as Dutch has
> >> >> already patiently explained to you. *He's done this before.****wit *always* means, in his bullshit expressions of his core
> >> >> bullshit, unconceived "future farm animals." *That's what he means.
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> >> >Yes, the universe shows many examples of complexity and, indeed, may
> >> >look designed to the naive, but no evidence for a designer of a universe
> >> >has ever appeared. The only intellegent designers we know of come in the
> >> >form of earthly based DNA life-forms.
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> >> * * Of course the only ones we're in any position to be able to detect are those
> >> same life forms, and we couldn't detect any others if they inhabitted every
> >> other star system in the universe. Do you consider that fact too, or just try to
> >> ignore that one and if so why?
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> >Why do you think we wouldn't be able to detect intelligent
> >extraterrestrials if they existed?
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> * * It would depend on whether they want us to be able to or not.

That is different to what you said before.

> For example if
> such beings do come to this planet and some of the thousands or millions of ufo
> sightings are actually of xts, it means the people were able to see them because
> the xts wanted to be seen. It's always their lights that allows people to see
> them, so it must be intentional if it's happening at all. If they do exist they
> apparently want us to be isolated and not know about it for sure. Humans do the
> same sort of thing, and have non-interference ideas and try to have zero or very
> little influence etc with wildlife. So even if they exist and are having and
> have had tremendous influence there's no reason to think we'd be able to know
> about it, unless some ufo sightings and crop circles etc are for real. If some
> are then they're giving us little glimpses but not enough that we can say for
> sure they exist, much less allow us to detect their transmissions of whatever
> they use to communicate. And we damn sure can't jump around to check out a bunch
> of star systems to see what's going on. For all we know there could be star
> systems with hundreds of inhabitted worlds filled with beings far more
> intelligent and advanced than we are whithin 20 light years of here, or not. We
> have no way of knowing. Were you unaware of that?

No, and I gave you no grounds for thinking that I was.