On 2012-06-04 00:23:16 +0000, Pete C. said:

> I on the other hand have spent a
> fair amount of time searching for that elusive supporting data, looking
> at NASA, NOAA and many other sites for hard data with sources, not just
> reports making claims and assumptions with no supporting data.

I spent a fair amount of time researching how much time you spent
researching and came to the conclusion that your conclusions are hardly
as convincing as the 90% of the specialists working in the field.

Not everybody who picks up a guitar and says "hell I can play better
than him", has evaluated things to my satisfaction.

> Open your eyes and research it for yourself don't blindly follow some
> climate change preacher like the rest of the ignorant flock.

One of the good things about the news, not the political opinion shows,
but the the kind called "journalism", is that their reports about the
actualities of the world are much more convincing than the material one
gets from political conduits. After all, everybody knows their job is
to contort information to support an ideology.

"Follow the money" is a good way of parsing out difficult information.
I don't really think that environmental group's quest, which according
to Rush Limbaugh, Fox and others is to "control people" seems very
believable. Just like the view that "terrorists just hate us for our
freedom" or that "feminists hate men", or that hetero marriage needs
some kind of "protection". None of this really seems to wash. That's
when ideology needs to make use of propaganda, and propaganda needs
sheep. We got 'em!

Myriad petroleum, mining and industrial concerns want to operate as
they always have, creating pollution as a side-effect, without being
financially limited or controlled in this. Now that makes sense to me
in a self-preserving, "follow the money" way of thinking.

Can you give me a believable reason that the overwhelming majority of
related sciences would lie about scientific findings, year after year,
as a conspiracy across myriad organizations, continents, languages,
etc. What is their financial motive?