On Apr 12, 4:16*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 5:43 AM, Zerkon wrote:
>
> > In article<qdydnaX0Os30yRvSnZ2dnUVZ5h2dn...@giganews. com>,
> > says...
> >> Other species don't give any consideration to the interests of
> >> individual members of different species.
>
> > Not correct. Ants herd, 'milk' and protect aphids. It's a great
> > assumption either way if this is defined as some aspect of "giving
> > consideration" however the associated behaviors humans regard as such
> > are still proved fact so a denial that a sense of consideration is
> > present can not be arrived at logically.
>
> That's not the kind of consideration being prescribe by "ar" passivists.
> * They advocate that humans cause no harm to animals, or allow no harm
> to happen, that they would not cause or allow to happen to a human. *We
> don't morally allow painful medical experimentation and testing to be
> done on humans, so they say we shouldn't do it with animal subjects
> either. *No animals give that kind of consideration.
>
> > Symbiotic relationships permeate many if not all forms of life. For
> > instance, no one can claim certainty that one of the hundreds of species
> > of micro-organisms living inside each human that enable humans to live
> > are not "giving consideration to the interests" of their host.
>
> That's not moral consideration.
>
> > Do you have a dog?
>
> Yes. *I do give moral consideration to her interests, but not as much as
> I give to the interests of my son. *The "ar" passivists say I should
> give the dog's interests equal consideration to those of my son, and no
> more consideration to my son's than to any other person's or other
> animals. *But it doesn't work that way. *If I arrive to pick my son up
> from school and find the school is on fire and my son and another child
> are in the classroom, and I have an opportunity to rescue one child
> only, then I'm afraid little Billy's parents are going to be grieving
> while I tuck my son safely in his bed that evening. *That's just how it is.

That's a straw man. Not a single person has ever suggested that you
shouldn't rescue your son in such circumstances.