"vegan" arrogance and egotism
On 3/23/2012 1:30 PM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 23, 4:56 pm, George > wrote:
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>>> On Mar 23, 4:00 pm, George > wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2012 12:03 AM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>> On Mar 23, 7:52 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 11:31 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 7:25 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 11:04 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 6:55 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 10:27 PM, Rupert wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2:33 am, George > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A typical "vegan" tries to argue "Why vegans are simply better people."http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=226259
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>>>>>>>>>>>> All "vegans" believe that. Woopert is lying when he says he doesn't.
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>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose would motivate me to lie about it?
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>>>>>>>>>> Because you know that bragging that your character is better than that
>>>>>>>>>> of others, particularly on such an inflammatory and contentious topic as
>>>>>>>>>> not putting animal parts in your mouth, is going to generate a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> well-founded criticism, and you don't want to have to defend yourself
>>>>>>>>>> against the charge of placing yourself on a moral pedestal, so you just
>>>>>>>>>> lie. But you *do* think you're "simply better" than those who use
>>>>>>>>>> animal products.
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>>>>>>>>> You say that I am aware that the critcism would be "well-founded".
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>>>>>>>> No, I say it is well-founded, and it would be, because bragging about
>>>>>>>> being better, even if an objective case can be made that one is better,
>>>>>>>> is still disparaged.
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>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if you know it would be well-founded or not. You *do*
>>>>>>>> know that the criticism would ensue, so to avoid it you lie and claim
>>>>>>>> not to believe what you obviously *do* believe.
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>>>>>>>>> If I know that the criticism would be well-founded, wouldn't this lead
>>>>>>>>> me to critically re-examine the belief?
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>>>>>>>> The criticism would be for the bragging, you stupid ****wit. You know this.
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>>>>>>>> The simple fact is, you do believe you're "better" than meat eaters
>>>>>>>> based on what you don't put in your mouth.
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>>>>>>> I don't really think, in general, it is meaningful to say that one
>>>>>>> person is "better" than another. I'm with the followers of the school
>>>>>>> of Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy on this one. You can't
>>>>>>> meaningfully compare two different people.
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>>>>>> That's bullshit. If I focus on one wrong behavior at a time - say,
>>>>>> robbing liquor stores - and you commit the crime and I don't, then I am
>>>>>> better than you in that one dimension - not in doubt.
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>>>>> Well, your behaviour is morally better in that dimension, yes, and I
>>>>> never denied that. I've always agreed that I believe that, other
>>>>> things equal, making some effort to reduce the amount of suffering
>>>>> required to produce your food is morally better than not doing so.
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>>>> The problem is *all* you have left is a shaky, ill-founded belief that
>>>> you're "making an effort" merely by not putting animal parts in your
>>>> mouth. All the piercing criticisms elaborated in the "vegan shuffle"
>>>> argument continue to hold. You aren't "minimizing" and you aren't
>>>> "doing the best you can" in regard to reducing suffering merely by not
>>>> putting animal parts in your mouth. You just can't conclude you're
>>>> doing anything meaningful by *not* consuming animal parts, relative to
>>>> someone who does. Your beliefs about what the consumption of animal
>>>> parts mean with regard to the *amount* of suffering one causes are false.
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>>> What reasons do you have for thinking they are false?
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>> We've been through that countless times, you time-wasting shitbag. The
>> belief that one is making a meaningful reduction in animal suffering
>> merely by *not* putting animal parts in one's mouth has been
>> demonstrated to be illogical and false.
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> No, it hasn't.
It has, of course, and you know it.
>> Go try to waste the time of
>> someone else, you ****ing clueless urbanite pantywaist.
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