On Mar 15, 8:57*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/15/2012 12:35 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 15, 6:07 am, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/14/2012 8:28 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>> On Mar 15, 2:51 am, > * *wrote:
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> >>>>> On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, > * *wrote:
> >>>>>> One compelling argument that you have definitely seen was given in great
> >>>>>> detail in the vegan shuffle argument.
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> >>>>> Perhaps you can tell me which one you have in mind.
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> >>>> The "shuffle". The vegan's core belief is that by going vegan one is no
> >>>> longer complicit in animal suffering. When the fallaciousness of that belief
> >>>> is pointed out to them they start shuffling. This takes various forms, such
> >>>> as a retreat to the "less suffering" position or a switch to the "injustice"
> >>>> position.
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> >>> How is that evidence that the motivation for going vegan is not to
> >>> help animals?
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> >> Nice try, woopert. *We're not talking about your alleged initial motive.
> >> * *What I said is that your supposed concern is fake. *The proof of that
> >> is that when it is conclusively demonstrated that the *sole* step you
> >> take - refraining from putting animal parts in your mouth - does not
> >> lead to the conclusion you assumed, you nonetheless stick with it, and
> >> do nothing more.
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> >> You began by believing one or both of two things:
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> >> 1. *Refraining from consuming animal parts would mean, necessarily,
> >> * * * that you weren't violating the "rights" of any animals.
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> >> 2. *Refraining from consuming animal parts would mean, necessarily,
> >> * * * that you were causing less harm to animals than *all* meat consumers.
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> >> It cannot be doubted or disputed that you believed one or both of these
> >> things. *If you didn't, then there could not possibly be any rational
> >> basis for concluding that you ought not put animal parts in your mouth..
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> >> It has been shown beyond all dispute that neither is true:
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> > What I began by believing is
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> ...that you were living a "cruelty free 'lifestyle'." *You were and are
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Wrong. I never believed that.

> >> 1. *The "rights" of animals are routinely violated in the course of
> >> * * * producing the things you consume.
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> >> 2. *Refraining from putting animal parts in your mouth in no way shows
> >> * * * that you are causing less harm than *all* meat consumers.
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> > I think the meat consumers who are causing less harm than me would be
> > rare indeed,
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> You have no way of knowing.
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I do have rational grounds for believing it which I have given before
more than once.

> It's entirely the point, shithead.

It's not a point supported by the evidence at hand.