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Default "veganism" is bullshit

On 3/15/2012 12:37 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Mar 15, 7:56 am, George > wrote:
>> On 3/14/2012 11:21 PM, Dutch wrote:
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>>>> On Mar 15, 2:51 am, > wrote:
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>>>>>>> One compelling argument that you have definitely seen was given in
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>>>>>>> detail in the vegan shuffle argument.

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>>>>>> Perhaps you can tell me which one you have in mind.

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>>>>> The "shuffle". The vegan's core belief is that by going vegan one is no
>>>>> longer complicit in animal suffering. When the fallaciousness of that
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>>>>> is pointed out to them they start shuffling. This takes various
>>>>> forms, such
>>>>> as a retreat to the "less suffering" position or a switch to the
>>>>> "injustice"
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>>>> How is that evidence that the motivation for going vegan is not to
>>>> help animals?

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>>> If the motivation were to help animals then there would be no shifting
>>> of arguments, no angry denials, the response would be one of simply
>>> acknowledging the receipt of new, helpful, constructive information.
>>> You've done that to some extent, but you're not typical either.

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>> I don't think he has done that at all. He has done nothing but quibble,
>> and complain that the evidence isn't ironclad. There has been complete
>> opposition to the idea that he is not "doing all he can", instead
>> invoking vague and utterly solipsistic notions of what's "reasonable" -
>> that is, whatever he *feels* like doing, not what an objective person
>> might feel is reasonable.

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> What do you, as an objective person, feel that it would be reasonable
> for me to do


Something other than sit back and throw up your hands and moan that
there's no data.

You do nothing. This is established beyond dispute.