On Mar 9, 8:05*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 3/8/2012 10:45 PM, Rupert wrote:
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> > On Mar 8, 6:59 pm, George > *wrote:
> >> On 3/8/2012 9:38 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>> On Mar 8, 5:46 pm, George > * *wrote:
> >>>> On 3/8/2012 8:10 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>> On Mar 8, 5:09 pm, George > * * *wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/8/2012 7:43 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Mar 8, 4:42 pm, George > * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 3/8/2012 12:05 AM, Rupert wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 9:32 pm, George > * * * * *wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "glen" or "mark" or "little cocksucker" - the friend of Lesley Simon,
> >>>>>>>>>> the Whore of Ballaghaderreen, County Roscommon - has it. *He shares
> >>>>>>>>>> moral responsibility for the animal CDs caused in order to put food on
> >>>>>>>>>> his plate. *This cannot be rationally disputed.
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> >>>>>>>>>> His relationship with the hands-on killers of animals has these elements:
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> >>>>>>>>>> * the relationship is voluntary - no coercion applied to the principal
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> >>>>>>>>>> * the principal is an active participant, i.e., actively engages in
> >>>>>>>>>> * * * * the relationship such as, for example, going to the grocery
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> >>>>>>>>>> * the principal is fully aware of the agent's actions
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> >>>>>>>>>> * the relationship is not instrumentally necessary for the principal to
> >>>>>>>>>> * * * * achieve a legitimate goal, e.g. the acquisition of food
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> >>>>>>>>>> "mark" or "glen" or "little cocksucker" or whatever he is this week
> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to hire an agent at all, and he doesn't need to hire one
> >>>>>>>>>> who kills animals collaterally. *That he does makes him share moral
> >>>>>>>>>> responsibility for the deaths of animals. *He cannot claim to be living
> >>>>>>>>>> a "cruelty free 'lifestyle'", and he sure as hell isn't "minimizing" his
> >>>>>>>>>> CD footprint because he has never measured.
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> >>>>>>>>> Your injection of carbon emission's into our planet's atmosphere has
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> >>>>>>>>> * * * - It is voluntary; no-one is coercing you into doing it.
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> >>>>>>>>> * * * - You are an active participant
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> >>>>>>>>> * * * - You are fully aware of the likely consequences of continued
> >>>>>>>>> injection of carbon emissions into our planet's atmosphere for other
> >>>>>>>>> humans
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> >>>>>>>>> * * * - It is not instrumentally necessary for you to achieve any
> >>>>>>>>> legitimate goal.
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> >>>>>>>>> You therefore have vicarious moral responsibility for the future harms
> >>>>>>>>> to humans that will take place that will have been contributed to by
> >>>>>>>>> your activity.
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> >>>>>>>> Yep - I never denied it, either.
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> >>>>>>> Okay, good. Would you also agree that it is more than likely that some
> >>>>>>> humans will very prematurely die in the future as a result of
> >>>>>>> anthropogenic climate change to which your activity has contributed?
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> >>>>>> Still trying to find some way to make the dispersed sand of that fake
> >>>>>> pedestal come back together like a rock, are you, Woopert? *It won't
> >>>>>> work. *Your belief about your moral pose is false.
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> >>>>> I don't know what belief you are talking about,
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> >>>> The belief that refraining from eating animal bits is ethically
> >>>> required, and that therefore if one does it one is ethically superior to
> >>>> one who doesn't. *That belief, you ****ing liar.
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> >>> I don't believe either of those things.
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> >> You sure do believe the first, and logically therefore you must believe
> >> the second. *Both are false.
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> > What I believe is that it is morally required, for most people living
> > in modern agriculturally bountiful societies, anyway, to make some
> > effort to reduce the amount of suffering and premature death that
> > needs to be caused in order to produce their food. In fact I've been
> > known to say they should make "every reasonable effort" although I
> > acknowledge I have not offered any useful definition of what counts as
> > a "reasonable effort",
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> Of course you haven't, because you, yourself, do nothing, so blabbering
> about "reasonable effort" would be rather leaden irony coming from you.

It is obviously false that I have done nothing. I have clearly done
something.