On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:16:56 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:

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><dh@.> wrote in message ...
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>> It would be a jump up for you
>> in reality. I did it when I was a kid by watching my chickens for hours at
>> a
>> time, until they chilled out and just did what they did and I could get an
>> idea
>> what life was like for them.
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>Is that when you decided it would be fun to raise roosters

Nope.

> to entertain you
>and your redneck buddies by fighting each other in a pen?

I never cared much for the fight, but loved the birds and loved raising
them. I'm convinced they would rather fight for their life in a pit than be hung
by their feet and have their throat slit, even if there's not a single
eliminationist in the planet with enough intelligence to comprehend how that
could possibly be the case.

>>You might not be able to do anything like that or
>> appreciate it if you could, but that's why I keep suggesting you go spend
>> some
>> time checking out some local cows or something and trying. IF you ever
>> try, be
>> sure you do it alone. It would be best if there was no other human in
>> sight.
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>No amount of "appreciation" for livestock is going to make me engage in
>...[having appreciation for when decent AW results in lives of positive value
>for livestock], which is not "appreciation" at all,

That's a blatant lie ONLY an eliminationist has reason to tell.

>it is an attempt to
>use the animals' lives to mount a lame and hollow argument against vegans.

It's a significant part of the vegans' lame and hollow argument against meat
eaters that you don't want people to take into consideration.