George Leppla wrote:
>
> On 7/17/2011 9:08 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> >> Specifically, who is denying YOU your right to own a gun? What specific
> >> federal law has been enacted that prevents YOU from owning a gun?
> >
> > The now expired ugly gun ban was one. The existing ugly gun bans in some
> > of the noted states also affect me as I have property in some of them.
>
> Translation: Under the Obama administration, I now have more freedom to
> own a gun than I did before.

Translation: My second amendment rights are still being infringed. Obama
letting the ugly gun ban expire was certainly a step in the correct
direction, but the other infringements still exist.

>
> >> So you agree that your right to own a gun has NOT been impeded, is that
> >> correct?
> >
> > No, that is not correct, and I have cited how my rights were both
> > previously infringed and are currently infringed in some locations.
>
> TRANSLATION: Under the Obama administration, I now have more freedom to
> own a gun than I did before. Somewhere, some local places might be
> trying to impose laws that might affect someone else, but MY ability to
> own a gun has NOT been changed.

Translation: My second amendment rights are still being infringed in
places that I have a presence. That infringement directly affect me, not
just someone else.

>
> >> So you agree that the rank and file gun owners we acting out of fear,
> >> not out of any rational, direct knowledge>
> >
> > No, they were acting on the stated intentions of his party members, and
> > those party members were just as surprised as the rest of us when Obama
> > did not go along with their plans once he was elected.
>
> Translation: We were so afraid of what MIGHT happen that we ran around
> like Chicken Little crying "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

Translation: Just like people who "run around like chicken little"
preparing for an approaching hurricane only to have it change course at
the last minute, they rationally assessed the threat and prepared.

>
> >> It happened because the rank and file gun owners were so SURE that
> >> "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND AMMO" that they created a huge
> >> spike in sales, stockpiling guns and ammo so they would be ready to
> >> "exercise our Second Amendment Rights and "take our country back".
> >>
> >> They created a shortage then then blamed it on Obama... and that is a
> >> fact. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=102851807
> >> http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-04/u...-ammo?_s=PM:US
> >
> > As noted in your links:
> >
> > "Ammunition suppliers say the shortage is due to several factors,
> > including the sheer volume of ammunition heading overseas to fight wars
> > in Iraq and Afghanistan."
>
> Translation: I delibegrately left out the following:
>
> "It started the day that Obama got elected," Johnny Dury, who owns
> Dury's Gun Shop in San Antonio, tells NPR's Michele Norris. "It is when
> everything just went crazy in the gun business."
>
> Dury says people are buying guns as well as ammunition, creating a
> shortage of both. He says people are buying the guns to protect
> themselves because they perceive Obama's policies as socialist and
> rewarding those "people who are not working hard." They are also afraid,
> he says, of more restrictive gun laws.
>
> "Everybody was scared he was going to take the ammo away or he was going
> to tax it out of sight on the prices," Dury says. "So people started
> stocking up, buying half a lifetime to a lifetime supply of ammo all at
> one time."

And this is different from the shortage of plywood, bottled water, etc.
when people are preparing for an approaching hurricane exactly how?

>
> >> Yeah, right. I've heard all about the threaths that we were protected
> >> from... and so sorry that we can't disclose what those threats were, but
> >> trust us, we are protecting you. You really believe that?
> >
> > Based on some of the information that I have, yes.
>
> Translation: "Yes, there were lots of threats but I'm not at liberty to
> talk about them in public."

Yes, that's pretty much the correct translation. Sorry if you are so
blinded that you want to believe there can't be any truth to it.

>
> I moved into my neighborhood 4 years ago and began to protect this
> sub-division from lion attacks. It worked... not a single lion attack
> happened on my watch. I went tot he Neighborhood Association and told
> them about all the lion attacks I prevented, but I didn't give them
> specifics because I didn't want to scare them or let the other lions out
> there know how vigilant I am. They thanked me and now I am a big hero.

False analogy. The US has experienced multiple attacks from known
enemies, this is not some phantom theoretical threat that has never
actually materialized.

>
> >> Sorry, but Obama care hasn't changed the way you buy medical insurance.
> >> Please cite exactly how YOU have been affected.
> >
> > There have already been changes to my medical insurance for the 2011
> > year that resulted from Obummercare.
>
> Translation: I can't give you a specific example of how my insurance
> has been changed. But I'm telling you, it has been... or it will be
> sometimes... and I bet I'm not going to like it if and when it does happen."

Translation: I noted that my insurance already changed, and I'm not
going to dig out and transcribe the exact details from my insurance
paperwork. Suffice it to say that I work for a very large company, with
insurance through Aetna and the 2011 enrollment paperwork noted specific
changes in coverages and co-pays to comply with Obummercare.

>
> >> Oh, I see.... you haven't had any of YOUR constitutional rights taken
> >> away... you are just afraid that they are GOING to be taken way someday,
> >> somewhere, somehow. Congratulations for buying into the politics of fear.
> >
> > Sorry, that is your false claim. My constitutional rights have indeed
> > been infringed and I provided the examples. There is no "fear", there is
> > valid concern based on current and prior infringement.
>
> Translation: "While I have not given you one SPECIFIC example of how MY
> constitutional rights have been infringed on, I know for sure in my
> heart that they have been... and down the road, someday, somewhere, some
> way... some one else is going to infringe even more... and by golly,

Yes, I did provide several specific examples of both previous (federal
ugly gun ban) and ongoing infringement (state ugly gun ban in states
where I have a presence).

> I'm afraid of all this so I"m stockpiling my guns and ammo so when the
> Socialists take over, me and my friends can rise up and "exercise our
> Second Amendment Rights".

I'm not stockpiling anything. I continue to buy guns and ammo as extra
funds are available for my normal recreational, hunting and personal
defense use. No mountains of guns or lifetime supplies of ammo.

> >
> > Yes, I did indeed, and I have no problem whatsoever with non criminals
> > owning pretty much any type of weapon. I am not paranoid like the
> > anti-gun kooks.
>
> Your whole idea of what is happening in the world is based on paranoia.
> Not based on anything that actually happens, but based on fear of what
> MIGHT happen.

My whole idea is based on documented facts, and ones that can be
validated at credible .gov site, not kooky .org sites.

I suppose in your warped view, the two WTC attacks never happened, or
the failed bomb in NYC, or the Ft. Hood attack. I suppose in your warped
view the federal ugly gun ban never existed, and the various state ugly
gun bans, mag bans, etc don't exist.