On 7/17/2011 9:08 PM, Pete C. wrote:

>> Specifically, who is denying YOU your right to own a gun? What specific
>> federal law has been enacted that prevents YOU from owning a gun?
>
> The now expired ugly gun ban was one. The existing ugly gun bans in some
> of the noted states also affect me as I have property in some of them.

Translation: Under the Obama administration, I now have more freedom to
own a gun than I did before.

>> So you agree that your right to own a gun has NOT been impeded, is that
>> correct?
>
> No, that is not correct, and I have cited how my rights were both
> previously infringed and are currently infringed in some locations.

TRANSLATION: Under the Obama administration, I now have more freedom to
own a gun than I did before. Somewhere, some local places might be
trying to impose laws that might affect someone else, but MY ability to
own a gun has NOT been changed.

>> So you agree that the rank and file gun owners we acting out of fear,
>> not out of any rational, direct knowledge>
>
> No, they were acting on the stated intentions of his party members, and
> those party members were just as surprised as the rest of us when Obama
> did not go along with their plans once he was elected.

Translation: We were so afraid of what MIGHT happen that we ran around
like Chicken Little crying "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

>> It happened because the rank and file gun owners were so SURE that
>> "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND AMMO" that they created a huge
>> spike in sales, stockpiling guns and ammo so they would be ready to
>> "exercise our Second Amendment Rights and "take our country back".
>>
>> They created a shortage then then blamed it on Obama... and that is a
>> fact. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=102851807
>> http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-04/u...-ammo?_s=PM:US
>
> As noted in your links:
>
> "Ammunition suppliers say the shortage is due to several factors,
> including the sheer volume of ammunition heading overseas to fight wars
> in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Translation: I delibegrately left out the following:

"It started the day that Obama got elected," Johnny Dury, who owns
Dury's Gun Shop in San Antonio, tells NPR's Michele Norris. "It is when
everything just went crazy in the gun business."

Dury says people are buying guns as well as ammunition, creating a
shortage of both. He says people are buying the guns to protect
themselves because they perceive Obama's policies as socialist and
rewarding those "people who are not working hard." They are also afraid,
he says, of more restrictive gun laws.

"Everybody was scared he was going to take the ammo away or he was going
to tax it out of sight on the prices," Dury says. "So people started
stocking up, buying half a lifetime to a lifetime supply of ammo all at
one time."




>> Yeah, right. I've heard all about the threaths that we were protected
>> from... and so sorry that we can't disclose what those threats were, but
>> trust us, we are protecting you. You really believe that?
>
> Based on some of the information that I have, yes.

Translation: "Yes, there were lots of threats but I'm not at liberty to
talk about them in public."

I moved into my neighborhood 4 years ago and began to protect this
sub-division from lion attacks. It worked... not a single lion attack
happened on my watch. I went tot he Neighborhood Association and told
them about all the lion attacks I prevented, but I didn't give them
specifics because I didn't want to scare them or let the other lions out
there know how vigilant I am. They thanked me and now I am a big hero.

>> Sorry, but Obama care hasn't changed the way you buy medical insurance.
>> Please cite exactly how YOU have been affected.
>
> There have already been changes to my medical insurance for the 2011
> year that resulted from Obummercare.

Translation: I can't give you a specific example of how my insurance
has been changed. But I'm telling you, it has been... or it will be
sometimes... and I bet I'm not going to like it if and when it does happen."

>> Oh, I see.... you haven't had any of YOUR constitutional rights taken
>> away... you are just afraid that they are GOING to be taken way someday,
>> somewhere, somehow. Congratulations for buying into the politics of fear.
>
> Sorry, that is your false claim. My constitutional rights have indeed
> been infringed and I provided the examples. There is no "fear", there is
> valid concern based on current and prior infringement.

Translation: "While I have not given you one SPECIFIC example of how MY
constitutional rights have been infringed on, I know for sure in my
heart that they have been... and down the road, someday, somewhere, some
way... some one else is going to infringe even more... and by golly,
I'm afraid of all this so I"m stockpiling my guns and ammo so when the
Socialists take over, me and my friends can rise up and "exercise our
Second Amendment Rights".

I WAAANT MY COUNTRY BAAAAAAACK!!!

>
> Yes, I did indeed, and I have no problem whatsoever with non criminals
> owning pretty much any type of weapon. I am not paranoid like the
> anti-gun kooks.

Your whole idea of what is happening in the world is based on paranoia.
Not based on anything that actually happens, but based on fear of what
MIGHT happen.

George L