On 7/17/2011 5:25 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> George Leppla wrote:
>>
>> On 7/17/2011 2:42 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>> I suppose you're talking about gun nuts "rights".
>>> No, I'm talking about gun owners constitutional rights as well as the
>>> inaliable human right of self defense.
>>
>> So who is denying you your rights to own a gun?
>
> Ask the folks in CA, IL, NY, CT, NJ and a few other states where peoples
> constitutional rights are indeed being trampled.

Specifically, who is denying YOU your right to own a gun? What specific
federal law has been enacted that prevents YOU from owning a gun?


>
>> Since Obama came into
>> office, gun ownership hasn't had any significant changes.
>
> Due only to the fact that Obama isn't out at the left wing like the rest
> of his party, and due to the fact that gun owners have representation to
> fend off the constant attacks from the left wing.

So you agree that your right to own a gun has NOT been impeded, is that
correct?



>> I remember the before the election the hue and cry was that Obama was
>> going to "take away our guns"..
>
> There certainly was well warranted concern until it became apparent that
> Obama wasn't as left as his party wanted him to be.

So you agree that the rank and file gun owners we acting out of fear,
not out of any rational, direct knowledge>

>
>> and then there was the big "no ammo"
>> scare. Neither happened.
>
> Sorry, this once certainly did happen. I clearly remember having to
> search around to find ammunition for my normal range outing and hunting,

It happened because the rank and file gun owners were so SURE that
"OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND AMMO" that they created a huge
spike in sales, stockpiling guns and ammo so they would be ready to
"exercise our Second Amendment Rights and "take our country back".

They created a shortage then then blamed it on Obama... and that is a
fact. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=102851807
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-04/u...-ammo?_s=PM:US


>
> While there are some concerns with the Patriot Act, have you ever
> stopped to consider that both Bush and Obama have supported it based on
> the classified information that they receive on the threats to the US
> that you never hear about?

Yeah, right. I've heard all about the threaths that we were protected
from... and so sorry that we can't disclose what those threats were, but
trust us, we are protecting you. You really believe that?


>> So exactly which of your "constitutional rights" have been taken away
>> since the last election?
>
> The right to choose who I do or don't do business with (Obummercare
> mandate)? As for the second amendment, or just as easily the first
> amendment, if you ignore the attacks on it until the right is taken
> away, it's too late.

Sorry, but Obama care hasn't changed the way you buy medical insurance.
Please cite exactly how YOU have been affected.

Oh, I see.... you haven't had any of YOUR constitutional rights taken
away... you are just afraid that they are GOING to be taken way someday,
somewhere, somehow. Congratulations for buying into the politics of fear.

>> (BTW - I am in favor of people being allowed to own guns, but I want
>> them registered)
>
> And exactly what to you believe registration would accomplish? Certainly
> it has nothing whatsoever to do with crime, since criminals are not
> allowed to own guns.

So you agree that criminals should not be allowed to own guns. How
about flame throwers? Grenades? Atomic bombs. You did say that the
Founding Fathers wanted people to have state of the art weapons for self
defense, no?

George L