George Leppla wrote:
>
> On 7/17/2011 2:42 PM, Pete C. wrote:
> >> I suppose you're talking about gun nuts "rights".
> > No, I'm talking about gun owners constitutional rights as well as the
> > inaliable human right of self defense.
>
> So who is denying you your rights to own a gun?

Ask the folks in CA, IL, NY, CT, NJ and a few other states where peoples
constitutional rights are indeed being trampled. Ask folks who's rights
were trampled by the now expired ugly gun ban. When the second amendment
was written it wasn't about "sporting" guns, or antique guns, it was
about guns that were the then state of the art and defensive use was
very much what was being considered.

> Since Obama came into
> office, gun ownership hasn't had any significant changes.

Due only to the fact that Obama isn't out at the left wing like the rest
of his party, and due to the fact that gun owners have representation to
fend off the constant attacks from the left wing.

> In fact, the
> Prez signed a law making it permissible to carry a weapon in many
> federal parks.

As I've noted Obama isn't out on the left wing like most of his party
is.

>
> I remember the before the election the hue and cry was that Obama was
> going to "take away our guns"..

There certainly was well warranted concern until it became apparent that
Obama wasn't as left as his party wanted him to be.

> and then there was the big "no ammo"
> scare. Neither happened.

Sorry, this once certainly did happen. I clearly remember having to
search around to find ammunition for my normal range outing and hunting,
and I don't do either all that frequency. I recall months of zero
availability of certain calibers of ammunition. Fortunately the supply
has caught up with demand and metals prices have come down a bit as well
bringing ammunition prices down a bit as well.

>
> The single most heinous government act that denies people their
> constitutional rights is the Patriot Act... initiated by Bush... and
> extended by Obama.

While there are some concerns with the Patriot Act, have you ever
stopped to consider that both Bush and Obama have supported it based on
the classified information that they receive on the threats to the US
that you never hear about? I had hoped that when Obama extended it, the
left wing might have picked up on that hint and realized that there was
a good reason for it. Of course it seems that they just cling to their
ideology without any reflection on such realities.

>
> So exactly which of your "constitutional rights" have been taken away
> since the last election?

The right to choose who I do or don't do business with (Obummercare
mandate)? As for the second amendment, or just as easily the first
amendment, if you ignore the attacks on it until the right is taken
away, it's too late.

>
> (BTW - I am in favor of people being allowed to own guns, but I want
> them registered)

And exactly what to you believe registration would accomplish? Certainly
it has nothing whatsoever to do with crime, since criminals are not
allowed to own guns.