On 4/12/2010 8:32 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:40:31 -0700, > wrote:
>
>>
>> <dh@.> wrote in message ...
>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:07:39 -0700, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dh@.> wrote
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:03:29 -0700, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And the fact that billions experience lives of negative value works for
>>>>>> AR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who wins?
>>>>>
>>>>> Livestock who get to experience decent lives of positive
>>>>> value and humane deaths appear to win
>>>>
>>>> Does it really?
>>>
>>> Yes THEY do. You just can't allow yourself to comprehend the
>>> fact any more, IF you were ever able to at all.
>>>
>>>> How did you figure that?
>>>
>>> It appears to be true for all sentient creatures.
>>>
>>>> How many many decent animal lives
>>>> does it take to cancel a bleak, miserable life?
>>>
>>> That's a different subject, and one you can't begin to
>>> consider in any detail until you get more comfortable admitting
>>> that some livestock do have lives of positive value. Remember
>>> that up until this point you couldn't even consider that aspect
>>> for humans or anything else, but if you can now consider it for
>>> any creatures at all then try to get somewhere with it.....
>>
>> We are morally culpable for causing animals to suffer, we're not entitled to
>> moral credit because they "experience life", the fact has no moral
>> significance.
>
> You failed entirely.

He failed in the same way one might fail in trying to teach a pig to
play the piano. You are incapable of learning.

Nothing has changed. You're still trying to sell this "lives of
positive value" hokum, and no one is buying it, because the know it's
nonsense, and not even what you're actually trying to sell. What you're
trying to sell people on is the idea that it's good for farm animals if
they exist. No sale - no one is buying.