On Jan 31, 2:34*am, Wildbilly > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *jim c > wrote:
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> > On Jan 27, 5:34*pm, Wildbilly > wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > *jim c > wrote:
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> > > > > Try it with food. The oils and greases in food may take the edge off
> > > > > your wine.
>
> > > > > As I understand it, the wine is already racked and bottled, right?
> > > > > The only thing I can think of is, if part of your acid blend was malic,
> > > > > you may be able to induce a secondary fermentation in the wine, and
> > > > > convert the sharp malic acid to the softer lactic acid. It's easier, if
> > > > > the wine is on lees though. Or you might try some chalk (CaCO3) trials,
> > > > > to see if that could be a satisfactory answer.
> > > > > --
> > > (snip)
>
> > > > I think the ratio I mixed the acid blend to was 3:2:1
> > > > Tartaric:Malic:Citric acid.
>
> > > > No it isn't bottled yet, I just post-oaked the oldest as I discovered
> > > > the younger elderberries that I had oaked were far superior to the
> > > > older unoaked batch. *I have been waiting for a chance to do another
> > > > TA titration to see 'technically' what the acid situation is and to
> > > > decide if I am going to attempt to deacidify the wine slightly. *Once
> > > > that is done I will perform a final pre-bottle rack and bottle it.
> > > > The wine has already been racked productively 4 times since I first
> > > > added the yeast and any further racking will have to be topped up with
> > > > water or bought wine as I have no surplus around.
>
> > > > It is better with food definitely, I totally agree that an oily food
> > > > partners well with acidity - I had a wine of similar acidity yesterday
> > > > and it worked well, though I am trying to craft this wine to be my
> > > > staple drinking wine, so I think a drop of a little edge would be good
> > > > across the whole batch. *I shall leave the second wine from this batch
> > > > a little higher acid as it is lighter, suits the liveliness and will
> > > > probably be used more often with food than its heavier first press
> > > > brothers.
>
> > > > Thanks for all the input both, it is appreciated!
>
> > > > Jim
>
> > > Remember that the sourness of wine (crispness, whatever) is directly
> > > proportional to the pH of the wine. The other components of the wine
> > > will buffer the total acidity (TA), resulting in wines with the same TA
> > > tasting flatter or crisper.
>
> > > The malic could be reduced to lactic acid by leuconostoc oenos *
> > > (enococcus) bacteria but they require a nitrogen source (lees) and I
> > > would worry about the citric getting converted to actetic acid.
>
> > > Bottom line, if you can drink it, live with it.
>
> > > Bon appétit,
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> > Cheers, but why not measure the pH by meter and mouth and reduce
> > excess with calcium carbonate?
>
> > Jim
>
> You're right, of course. It doesn't matter what the pH is, IF the wine
> pleases you. I've never adjusted a wine with calcium carbonate, so I
> don't know how satisfying, or not, the results may be.
> Try .1g, .2g, .3g of CaCO3 in three different 4 oz. glasses of wine. *
> When you get close, step up or down by .05g. It shouldn't take more than
> 6 glasses. It is hard to keep track of more than 6 wines ;O)
>
> If you want to try the secondary fermentation approach, there is no
> problem with generating acetic from citric, only in primary fermentation.
>
> Bonne chance.
>
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Thanks for the reply. Yeah that's the plan. My only fear is
maintaining an objective palette across the tests. I shall look up a
suitable palette cleaner for in between, any recommendations? Cheese,
crackers, plain water, milk?

Jim