Rupert wrote:
> On Dec 29, 2:46 am, ex-PFC Wintergreen >
> wrote:
>> Rupert wrote:
>>> On Dec 27, 8:49 am, ex-PFC Wintergreen >
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ha wrote:
>>>>> ex-PFC Wintergreen wrote:
>>>>>> All "vegans" start by believing a logical fallacy:
>>>>>> If I consume animal products, I cause animals to suffer and die.
>>>>>> I don't consume any animal products;
>>>>>> therefore, I don't cause any animals to suffer and die.
>>>>> All vegans?
>>>> Without exception. They all start with that, and many - probably most -
>>>> never move off it. Look at the myriad "vegan" web sites that extol
>>>> "veganism" as a means of living a "cruelty-free" or "death-free"
>>>> lifestyle. Those people, by necessary implication, believe in the
>>>> logical fallacy.
>>> It's probably fair to say that it is quite widespread
>> Universal, at the outset. Most never abandon it.
>
> See the discussion in my other post.

See my well established fact, above: All "vegans" begin by believing in
the logical fallacy, and most never abandon it.