On Dec 27, 8:49*am, ex-PFC Wintergreen >
wrote:
> Ha wrote:
> > ex-PFC Wintergreen wrote:
>
> >> All "vegans" start by believing a logical fallacy:
>
> >> * * If I consume animal products, I cause animals to suffer and die.
>
> >> * * I don't consume any animal products;
>
> >> * * therefore, I don't cause any animals to suffer and die.
>
> > All vegans?
>
> Without exception. *They all start with that, and many - probably most -
> never move off it. *Look at the myriad "vegan" web sites that extol
> "veganism" as a means of living a "cruelty-free" or "death-free"
> lifestyle. *Those people, by necessary implication, believe in the
> logical fallacy.
>

It's probably fair to say that it is quite widespread, but any
academic defender of veganism would obviously be aware of the
collateral deaths argument, and as I say I was aware of it during
adolescence.

> Here's a claim at the terrorist Animal Liberation Front's web site:
>
> * * You don't have to do it over night. You can take small steps by
> * * eliminating one cruel product at a time until you arrive at your
> * * ultimate goal of a cruelty-free diet.
>
> * *http://www.animalliberation.org.au/vego.php
>
> By the way, there is a poster in this very newsgroup who is a terrorist
> and card-carrying supporter of the terrorist organization ALF.
>

Who are you thinking of there?

> Here's another instance:
>
> * * Whether you're hosting a vegan at your holiday table, or looking for
> * * holiday recipes as a vegan yourself, it can be a daunting task to
> * * find recipes that accommodate the cruelty-free diet
>
> * *http://www.ehow.com/way_5498650_vega...y-recipes.html
>
> Here's a PETA page hawking supposedly "cruelty-free" products:http://tinyurl.com/ycvwtzf. *The *only* reason they consider these
> products "cruelty-free" is because they don't contain animal parts - in
> other words, they are under the influence of the logical fallacy in
> claiming the products to be "cruelty-free". *They don't take into
> consideration any animals that are killed in the course of obtaining the
> ingredients of the products, manufacturing the products, or distributing
> them.
>
> Yes, indeed: **all* "vegans" start by believing the logical fallacy, and
> many if not most of them never leave it. *Those who do abandon it merely
> move to another, equally invalid moral pose. *In short, "veganism" has
> nothing whatever to do with /real/ ethics. *It's all about the pose.