On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:22:21 -0600, FERRANTE wrote:

> Btw, you cannot post basic questions like this in alt.coffee. There,
> if you are not an espresso lover with all the expensive gadgets, you
> are not welcome there. And they make that clear very quickly.
>
>
> Mark

not everybody can be all friendly-like as we are.

your pal,
blake