On Sep 15, 10:03*am, Omelet > wrote:
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> *Saerah Gray > wrote:
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> > Omelet > fnord
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> > > *T > wrote:
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> > >> says...
> > >> > In article 7>,
> > >> > *Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
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> > >> > > > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients
> > >> > > > are actually single white males is absolutely false.
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> > >> > > > * *http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
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> > >> > > Whatever... *Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult
> > >> > > welfare recipients and limited the number of children a welfare
> > >> > > recipient could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could
> > >> > > receive. *What you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have.
> > >> > > It's no wonder there are so many children on the welfare rolls.
> > >> > > One of the things that irritates me most is
> > >> > > seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
> > >> > > welfare office
> > >> > > with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed
> > >> > > by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have
> > >> > > no desire to work. *With our present system they know they don't
> > >> > > have to, yet they keep popping
> > >> > > out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive
> > >> > > additional benefits for each child they have.
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> > >> > > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up
> > >> > > by their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> > >> > > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
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> > >> > > * * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * *
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> > >> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
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> > >> > It needs a serious overhaul.
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> > >> So tell me since you're the expert, what reforms would you make to
> > >> the welfare system?
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> > > Government work programs. *I already stated that.
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> > > Give them the welfare they need, but make them work for it.
> > > It really is that simple...
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> > > I believe in helping people, just not in giving them a totally free
> > > ride. I work hard for the money I make.
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> > So will the government pay for child care under your program, too?
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> _Home_ work is my idea.
> That way they can stay home with the kids.
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> > An overhaul of the system is needed, certainly. What kind of jobs are we
> > going to give these people so that they can get off welfare and make a
> > living that is enough to support their family?
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> > Except for the three months I took off for maternity leave, and the few
> > months when I was unemployed a few years ago,(and it's not that I
> > "wouldn't" work; there were retail and fast-food jobs available, but
> > most of the places I applied at could not give me a set schedule, which
> > I needed because I could not afford childcare), I have worked full-time
> > my entire adult life. Until I was able to get my current job, I had
> > never made enough money where I could have supported myself and my
> > daughter on my paycheck alone. Does that make me lazy?
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> Of course not. :-) *You are not the kind of person I had an issue with.
> There are some people that don't _want_ to get off of welfare and some
> are generational.
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> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are those
> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
> > It's more complicated than "have them work for the money". Basically,
> > you would have these people work for *less* than minimum wage. And
> > that's not a solution.
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> Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?
Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
You might find it suprising. Texas minimum wage is $6.55 apparently.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Texas
I don't know enough about Texas and US laws and terminology to easily
track down the welfare equivelent.
Welfare is well below the minumum wage in Ontario $520 pear month
according to this site
http://www.uclg.ca/en/services/ontar...assistance.asp
Ontario minimum wage is $8 / hr. or roughly $1200 per month (assuming
a 40 hour week)
http://lpaula.wordpress.com/2007/02/...e-hike-canada/
Ergo 520/1200 is roughly 43% of the minumum wage.
John Kane Kingston ON Canada