"Auntie Nettles" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote:
>
> >Auntie Nettles wrote:
> ><...>
> >>>==================
> >>>Maybe you should take your own advice stupid. Learn how to use
> your
> >>>computer and reply to the person that actually wrote what your
> spewing
> >>>about.
> >>>The fact remains that the *vegan* products we're talking about are
> far from
> >>>natural. The example you cited is not the whole truth. You can
> get meats
> >>>without any additives added to the cow, or the meat afterwords.
> >>
> >> A better suggestion if you want "natural" is hunting, preferably
> far
> >> away from polluted areas.
> >
> >Why? What would you do about species overpopulations in and around
> larger urban
> >areas? Are you concerned about biological diversity?
> >
> >http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D834HDS01.html
>
> The discussion concerned "additives in foods", not "pros and cons of
> hunting per se"; do try to stay on topic.
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Why don't you learn how to use your computer, fool?
Typical loony little girl that can't keep straight all her lys, eh killer?


>
> For what it's worth, I have no objection to "hunting near
> urban/polluted areas". However, per discussion topic, the possibility
> exists of those populations having ingested chemicals or other
> contaminants from polluted areas. The same holds true for fish caught
> in polluted waterways. Now, if you wish to eat a
> possibly-contaminated catch, that's your business. On the other hand,
> if you wish to involve yourself in defining the term "natural" as,
> "that with the least amount of additives we would consider poisonous,"
> then obviously, we would have to take these possibilities into
> consideration. Some toxins will accumulate in body tissue if ingested
> over a period of time. (Maybe not to the extent of a confined farm
> animal eating the farm-raised feed provided to it but still...)
>
> >> Or small farms that raise native animals on native diets.
> >
> >I thought you activists called that "canned hunting."
>
> What made you assume I was an "activist"? I hold no hardline opinions
> one way or the other. Also, why would you think an "activist" would
> suggest activities like hunting or buying meat from smaller, private
> farms? (Those farms as I mentioned don't necessarily involve hunting
> of any sort, either. Ever hear of farm-raised venison?
> http://www.agsites.net/links/meat(venison).html Or how about:
> http://www.bisonranch.com/meat.html )
>
> >> The word is that most modern commercial farms use a
> >> whole concoction of drugs, antibiotics, hormones and other
> additives
> >> to feed their stock so they can gain bulk at a faster rate.
> >
> >Where's your proof of this "word"?
>
> "Evidence" dear; "proof" is a mathematical terminology. The
> "evidence" for this "word" can be found doing a simple Google search:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...oogle +Search
>
> or:
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...&btnG =Search
>
> Now, I don't know if every last article in the search is factual, but
> there's your "evidence" for the "word".
>
> > The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) prohibits the use of
hormones in
> > the raising of hogs or poultry in the United States.
>
> Hogs and poultry and ...?
>
> > Therefore all pork
> > and poultry products that carry the "no hormones administered"
label
> > only represent the regulations that are already in place for pork
and
> > poultry and should not be taken to mean that the manufacturer is
doing
> > anything beyond USDA requirements for conventional pork and poultry
> > products.
> > http://www.eco-labels.org/label.cfm?LabelID=114
>
> You're forgetting there are other countries besides the U.S. ...And
> what of the pesticides used on the crops grown to feed these animals?
>
> >> They even
> >> feed cows newspaper and feed made from animal by-product. How
> >> "natural" can that be?
> >
> >It isn't too far off the mark in terms of dietary components, just
> not the same
> >levels. Cows are not picky and will eat whatever is in the area
> they're being
> >grazed. That includes carrion.
> >
> >> A cow in its natural state does not consume
> >> animal products.
> >
> >They will eat carrion.
> >
> >>>You cannot
> >>>get your substitues without mono-culture farming. Again, farming
> is not
> >>>'natural'. Filling the fields with posions is hardly what I would
> call
> >>>anything near 'natural'.
> >>
> >> And what do you think those grain-fed cows eat -- manna from
> heaven?
> >
> >Rick doesn't eat them. His are grass-fed.
>
> Good for him. It doesn't change the fact that acres and acres of land
> are still devoted to growing crops for farm animals (which in most
> cases aren't even native to the land) -- all for the luxury of
> producing a better-flavoured product. (?)
>
> Mind you, you are correct that one can indeed locate meat products
> where care has been taken to ensure it's as free from contamination
> and additives as possible. Unfortunately such products are often not
> as convenient to locate in many areas, since products from smaller
> operations are usually not as widely-distributed.
>
> >>>>Now if the discussion was about "plain", "original", vanilla,
> chocolate
> >>>>or any other flavour, then you would be right. They start joining
> the
> >>>>"drink" group and seriously start moving away from the 100%
> natural group
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>-- Blue
> >>
> >> P.S. I like soy milk for what it is -- not as a milk substitute,
> but
> >> because some of the brands just taste pretty good. They seem more
> >> refreshing than milk.
> >
> >Which ones would those be?
>
> "Silk" is one; I think the other was "So Nice". As a beverage, milk
> just feels "stickier", although I use it for other things like
> cooking.
>
> I don't really like tofu and other bland items although I went through
> a phase where I was trying to eat it for its supposed health benefits.
> (I understand soy milk doesn't have the same properties, however.)
>
> >The only one I've tried that I genuinely like and
> >would buy again for the sake of its taste is a malted soy beverage,
> not a "milk"
> >made of soy. I don't think it's worth its price, so I seldom do.