SystemX wrote:
> Dutch wrote:
>> SystemX wrote:
>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy
>>>>>>>>>> and still legitimately call themselves vegans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word
>>>>>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why
>>>>>>>>> not score a point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was redundant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable
>>>>>>>>> identification:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Including animals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All things, flowers, animals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You ought to, we are all God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe in God. I seem to hover between being an agnostic
>>>>>>> and an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't "believe in God" in the conventional sense either, but,
>>>>>> how to put it.. there is a powerful force in the universe
>>>>>> intelligent beyond all comprehension constantly manifesting itself
>>>>>> in a multitude of ways, the most advanced of these being the
>>>>>> self-aware human being. That force is living in each of us, it is
>>>>>> in a very basic sense "who we are". I believe this is what is
>>>>>> behind the spiritual teachings and the original meaning of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop dreaming.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are nothing but animals on a planet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty blasé perspective. Whatever floats your boat though..
>>>
>>> Nothing blasé about fact.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Facts aren't blasé, perspectives can be.
>
> It is a fact that "We are nothing but animals on a planet". What
> evidence would lead you to come to a different perspective?

I never said we weren't animals on a planet, you're
setting up a strawman. But we are, as humans, more
than "just" animals.

>
> What evidence do you have for this wishy washy notion of God as an
> "organising force"?

I would prefer to avoid the word "God", it carries a
lot a negative baggage, like religion and all that
entails. But evidence of an "organizing force"? Just
take a look around, everything is organized in
patterns. The physical world operates according to
strict laws, the structure of everything, every living
thing, the way they live, is highly organized. We
reflect this in our behaviour, our social structures,
governments, we tend to organize everything we touch.

Look at a leaf under a microscope, where is the
evidence to support the view that things are random?