Dutch wrote:
> SystemX wrote:
>> Dutch wrote:
>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> SystemX wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vegans do consume dairy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even by their own lax standards, vegans cannot consume dairy
>>>>>>>>>> and still legitimately call themselves vegans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mad e a mistook. - A bad one - I missed the important word
>>>>>>>>> 'not'. I guess you worked that out for yourself, but hey, why
>>>>>>>>> not score a point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW - I'm self identifying myself as God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was redundant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just making a point that; self identification is not reliable
>>>>>>>>> identification:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean you don't identify yourself as God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Including animals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is related to your statement about "we are all God".
>>>>>
>>>>> I figured that. Every plant, animal, even things that seem inert to
>>>>> us are manifestations of a universal force. A rock is 99% empty
>>>>> space, the other 1% is comprised of spinning particles, miniature
>>>>> galaxies. Its apparent solid form is simply a limitation of our
>>>>> powers of perception.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps your understanding of animals is limited by your power of
>>>> perception.
>>>
>>> Of course, we only know the world through the filters of our
>>> perception. How could it be otherwise?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I get the feeling you're confused, perhaps indoctrinated.
>>>
>>> Ahh, out come the daggers, I must have hit a nerve.
>>
>> No. You seem confused,
>
> When contemplating the universe perhaps appearing confused is a sign of
> wisdom. One of the new and exciting principles of physics is uncertainty.
>
>> and seem to be balancing a view between their being a God and not.
>
> I think I stated my position quite clearly. I reject "religion" per se,
> along with "worship" and most other artifacts of conventional religion.
> But there is a force underlying everything, far more powerful than
> nuclear energy, and we are each manifestations of that force. The idea
> that nothing we can't see does not exist is simply naive. Quantum
> physics is exploring whole new realms of reality.

You now seem to be sifting your position from a God like "organising
force" to a physical one.


>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps your "self-indoctrination" as an agnostic-atheist is causing
>>> internal distress?
>>
>> Not really. I'm quite happy with my view. I'm not sitting on a fence.
>
> "I seem to hover between being an agnostic and an atheist."

Both are clearly on one side of the 'God fence'.