On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:46:43 GMT, Jonathan Ball > wrote:
>Derek wrote:
>> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message ink.net...
>>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>>>At the very start of this thread Jon offered a syllogism
>>>>in the form
>>>>
>>>>1) If I eat meat, I cause harm to animals
>>>>2) I do not eat meat;
>>>>Therefore,
>>>>3)I do not cause harm to animals.
>>>>
>>>>It has two premisses and a conclusion. It's also commits
>>>>a fallacy, since the second premiss denies the antecedent
>>>>in the first premiss.
>>>
>>>It certainly does! ALL "vegans" commit this fallacy,
>>>including you.
>>
>> Ipse dixit and false.
>
>No, well established, documented and true.

The two examples you brought here aren't in any way
representative of ALL vegans, and nor do they imply
a belief that no animals die during crop production, so
your claim has been undeniably proved false.

>>>>>>Secondly, my task is then to show that HIS argument
>>>>>>is not the argument put forward by vegans.
>>>
>>>And you FAIL
>>
>> It might be put forward by a few
>
>No, ALL:

My example alone proves your claim to be false.

>>> Go Vegan and live cruelty free. Peace is only found
>>> with how we live our lives...not through some
>>> external belief in spirituality. Treat all animals
>>> the way you would want to be treated. Vegans may be
>>> smaller, but we are far more healthy on average.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/7gvl
>>
>>
>> What part of that statement implies animals aren't
>> killed during crop production
>
>"cruelty free".

Then your comprehension skills are certainly in doubt
because those two words don't imply animals aren't
killed during crop production. The author is merely
claiming HE lives a cruelty free lifestyle, not that
cruelty doesn't exists around him caused by others.

>>> The vegan lives a death free lifestyle, and your
>>> useless efforts to queer this fact by pointing your
>>> finger at us for the deaths caused by the farmer
>>> isn't fooling anyone.
>>> http://tinyurl.com/7gw1
>>
>>
>> Again, what part in that statement implies deaths
>> aren't caused by the hands of others
>
>"death free"

Again, your comprehension skills are certainly in
doubt because those two words don't imply animals
aren't killed during crop production. The author, me,
is merely claiming HE lives a death-free lifestyle,
not that deaths aren't caused by others around him.

To paraphrase that above quote of mine I might
just have easily written;

"The civilian lives a death-free lifestyle, and your
useless efforts to queer this fact by pointing your
finger at him for the deaths caused by troops on
his behalf isn't fooling anyone."

or

"The atheist lives a religion-free lifestyle, and your
useless efforts to queer this fact by pointing your
finger at him for the prayers said by theists on his
behalf isn't fooling anyone."

You lose, Jon. You always will. Throw again.