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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > "Laurie" > wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are grown
in
> > > > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was proven
to
> > > > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was originally
> > > > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a grass.
> > > > ==========================
> > > re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's right,
> > never!
> > > re> What a fool.
> >
> > I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave to
> > support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12. Why
did
> > you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity? Here,
I'll
> > add it back for you, killer:
> >
> > ========================
> > here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
> > http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
> >
> > "...Vegan sources of B12
> > Claimed sources include:
> >
> > a.. Tempeh (no effect)
> > b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
> > c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
> > d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
> > g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
> > h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
> > i.. Dirt (little effect)
> > j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
> > k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
> > Practical sources include;
> >
> > a.. Fortified foods
> > b.. Supplements ..."
> > as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
> > "...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
> > meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans. ..."
> >
> > And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
> > =======================
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before making
> > > idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
> > ================
> > I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line
spell
> > checker status...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
> > ==============
> > Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
> >
> > > =====
> > >
> > > Mozafar, A.
> > > Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of organic
> > > fertilizers.
> > > Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> > > Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on soils
> > with
> > > natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods grown
with
> > > inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those published
by
> > > Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have
shown
> > > that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear if
the
> > > plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to test
the
> > > origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin B12
for
> > > study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but
microorganisms
> > can.
> > > In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a
commonly
> > > used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants,
specifically
> > > soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure B12 or
B12
> > > in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with
inorganic
> > > fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> > > inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase of
B12
> > in
> > > the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry
weight)
> > > and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves, B12
> > > increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight) and
> > 34-fold
> > > in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a
similar,
> > but
> > > not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields receiving
> > manure
> > > over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving
inorganic
> > > fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased in
> > > organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This is
good
> > > news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in
their
> > > diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food because
of
> > > its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does seem
to
> > > indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies
should
> > be
> > > done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
> > >
> > > =====
> > LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from
plants.
> > Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day, be
my
> > quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more variety.(hence
the
> > vast import food production you pay for)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL
AGRICULTURE
> > > which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12 that
> > > normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and
inexpensive
> > > solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor quality
of
> > > commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be
seriously
> > > considered by anyone who eats.]
> > ==================
> > And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals die
to
> > manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your plate,
> > killer.
> >
> > Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
> > "...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be
eaten
> > every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
> > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
> >
> > Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money scam
> > parade of idiocy...
> >
>
>
>
>
> *ANYBODY* including the animal food industry can put up a "veg" site
stupid pEtter.
>
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You ignorant fool. Why not read the site first, before diplaying your
stupidity to the world. ooops, too late....