"Laurie" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are grown in
> > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was proven to
> > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was originally
> > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a grass.
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> re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's right,
never!
> re> What a fool.
I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave to
support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12. Why did
you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity? Here, I'll
add it back for you, killer:
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here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
"...Vegan sources of B12
Claimed sources include:
a.. Tempeh (no effect)
b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
i.. Dirt (little effect)
j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
Practical sources include;
a.. Fortified foods
b.. Supplements ..."
as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
"...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans. ..."
And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
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> Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before making
> idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
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I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line spell
checker status...
> Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
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Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
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> Mozafar, A.
> Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of organic
> fertilizers.
> Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on soils
with
> natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods grown with
> inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those published by
> Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have shown
> that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear if the
> plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to test the
> origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin B12 for
> study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but microorganisms
can.
> In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a commonly
> used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants, specifically
> soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure B12 or B12
> in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with inorganic
> fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase of B12
in
> the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry weight)
> and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves, B12
> increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight) and
34-fold
> in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a similar,
but
> not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields receiving
manure
> over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving inorganic
> fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased in
> organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This is good
> news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in their
> diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food because of
> its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does seem to
> indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies should
be
> done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
>
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LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from plants.
Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day, be my
quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more variety.(hence the
vast import food production you pay for)
>
> So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL AGRICULTURE
> which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12 that
> normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and inexpensive
> solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor quality of
> commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be seriously
> considered by anyone who eats.]
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And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals die to
manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your plate,
killer.
Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
"...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be eaten
every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money scam
parade of idiocy...
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> Laurie
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