native americans and vegetarianism
usual suspect wrote:
> John Coleman wrote:
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>>> It is. Your testimony doesn't diminish the fact, it only confirms it.
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>> If we were just talking about my testimony, I would agree, but we are
>> not.
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> It is anecdotal, not scientific. It is just your testimony.
More like his testi-lying.
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>> We are talking about the testimonies of many people.
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> Anecdotes are not scientific. It is just testimony. A mile-high pile of
> anecdotal testimony is not scientific, it's still anecdotal.
I forget who first said it: "The plural of 'anecdote'
is not 'data'."
Orthorexic John has no data.
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>> Ehret also did crude
>> trials of his system on others and got the same effect.
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> You've not even read his works.
He's lying. He has read Ehret.
> Stop spreading your bullshit hearsay.
> Ehret was a crank. So are you.
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>> That diet is a
>> factor in common cold causation is not disputed by scientific medicine
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>
> Prove it.
Heh heh heh...Anyway, "is a factor" is not the same as
"causes".
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>> BTW,
>> although there are many other factors that are part of the overall
>> picture.
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> Damn right there are, like contact with the virus which causes it.
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>>> You are the former but not the latter. You are quite gullible.
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>> ahah, another mind reading expert, throw away your chrystal ball
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> You are gullible, and no crystal ball was needed to figure that out.
He's worse than gullible. He is deliberately stupid.
He *embraces* crackpot ideas precisely because they are
crackpot ideas.
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>>> Since you failed to account for anything else, why base it upon diet? We
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>> already
>>
>>> have your answer:
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>> Tell us why you don't think crummy diets contribute to the common cold.
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> Your claim wasn't about generically "crummy" diets. People who eat junk
> foods are acquire illnesses, no doubt. So do people who eat healthful
> diets. I know people who eat meat and consume dairy and wheat --
> so-called mucus-forming foods according to you and Ehret -- but who are
> seldom if ever ill. I know raw vegans who are always suffering from
> something, including occasional bouts of food poisoning. Your thesis is
> ****ed by science and by anecdotes.
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>>> You're a drama queen, no doubt, but this was hardly a scientific
>>
>> experiment AND
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>>> you failed to weed out extraneous variables which may have been fully or
>>> partially responsible for any changes.
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>> Of course you are right, there are many variables involved, I did not
>> just
>> change diet alone.
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> Yet you attribute diet for all or most benefit. Why?
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>> There was a feature on the common cold on TV recently,
>> the Dr. mentioned a list of over 8 contributing factors. They even had
>> a guy
>> on who never had a cold in over 8 years. He was not a raw foodist either.
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>
> So your theory is ****ed.
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>>> Exogenous sources do not confirm intuitive findings. That is NOT the
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>> scientific
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>>> method, Coleman -- it's the opposite.
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>> It depends by what you mean by scientific method.
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> How many scientific methods are there?
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>> You are talking about a
>> very thorough method, that is good science, but even simple methods
>> applied
>> systematically can pick out causation.
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> Ipse dixit. Simpler methods, such as your own, are prone to bias,
> especially when you're both the observer and the subject.
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>>> By you, but not by educated people familiar with the scientific method.
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>>
>> yes, most people can fairly remain doubtful
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> Especially given the parameters of your self-reported findings.
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>>> No, you do not. It's not research. Your expermentation on yourself has
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>> nothing
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>>> to do with the scientific method, as noted above.
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>>
>> again, depends on what you call method
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>
> How many are there?
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>>> It's unnatural. See other thread for my response about why your use of
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>> pills is
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>>> medicinal.
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>> raw food is unnatural?? well I'll take a look at that thread...
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> A 100% raw diet is unnatural for humans.
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