the malnourished John Coleman wrote:
>>http://www.healthandage.com/Home/gid2=1871
>
> A link to some crappy nutritional propaganda?

As opposed to your posts and/or your failed medical tests?

>>No, it isn't.
>
> That is not the consensus of opinion.

Actually, it is.
http://www.enc-online.org/dietc.htm

>>Our own bodies produce cholesterol.
>
> So what, that does not infer you need to add to it.

That's not the issue you raised, dummy. You said that dietary intake of
cholesterol raises serum cholesterol. I've already noted in earlier replies to
you that seafood is often recommended for those with hypercholesterolemia. Fish
is high in cholesterol, yet it helps elevate HDL -- the good cholesterol. What
raises LDL (the bad cholesterol) is saturated fat. See link above, and I can
cite many more studies if you need them.

>>Serum cholesterol is
>>marginally affected by dietary cholesterol;
>
> It's a margin the wrong way.

Ipse dixit.

Ginsberg et al. 1994. A dose-response study of the effects of dietary
cholesterol on fasting and postprandial lipid and lipoprotein metabolism
in healthy young men. Arterioscler. Thrombosis 14:576-586.

For these controlled feeding studies twenty-four young men were fed 30%
fat diets (NCEP Step I) with addition of zero (128 mg cholesterol/day),
one (283 mg/day), two (468 mg/day) or four (858 mg/day) eggs per day to
the basal diet. Each diet was fed for eight weeks. Average plasma
cholesterol levels in the twenty-four subjects were 155, 161, 162, and
166 mg/dl for the zero, one, two and four eggs per day feeding periods.
Plasma total cholesterol increased 1.5 mg/dl per 100 mg/day added
dietary cholesterol. There was no evidence that changes in dietary
cholesterol intakes altered the postprandial plasma lipoprotein profile
(lipoproteins thought to be involved in the development of
atherosclerosis) and thus did not alter the atherogenic potential of the
plasma lipoproteins. The data indicate that in the majority of healthy
young men addition of two eggs per day to a low-fat diet has little
effect on plasma cholesterol levels.

>>seafood, especially oily cold-water
>>fish, are high in cholesterol and help elevate HDL (good cholesterol)
> which in
>>turn helps lower LDL (bad cholesterol).
>
> I don't eat any dead animals. My TC is a shade over 2, what's yours?

TC = Total Cholesterol?

>>Consumption of saturated fats (from both
>>plant and animal sources) is linked to elevated serum cholesterol levels.
>
> Do oily cold water fish contain saturated fat?

Some, but not very much. Raw salmon, per 100g:
Total saturated fat Gms : 0.981
Ttl monounsaturated fat Gms : 2.103
Ttl polyunsaturated fat Gms : 2.539

It gets ~40% of calories from fat. It also helps elevate HDL.

> How much saturated fat does
> the average piece of fruit contain?

Avocados, olives? Some. Sweet fruits? None.

>>Please support your own claim with evidence.
>
> Page 280 Harpers Biochemistry 24 Ed, a medical students text - "The rabbit,
> pig , monkey, and humans are species in which atherosclerosis can be induced
> by feeding cholesterol. The rat, dog and cat are resistant."

Not exactly:
Severe atherosclerotic lesions with clinical significance rarely appear
in the heart, brain, and kidney even in a dog involved with *systemic
atherosclerosis*. Immunohistochemical distribution of apolipoprotein in
the peripheral arteries has been rarely detected in dogs. No reports
have indicated whether aging is a factor in the occurrence of lesions in
dog. However, routine histopathologic examinations of the dog, with or
without hyperlipidemia and *systemic atherosclerosis*, frequently reveal
the accumulation of lipids and hyaline materials in the central and
penicillar arteries of the spleen, occasionally associated with
hemorrhage and infarction.
http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/38/4/407

See also: http://snipurl.com/5yyp

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