On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:43:44 -0400, Less Than Honest Larry wrote:

>dh@. wrote:
>
>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
>>wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
>>buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
>>What they try to avoid are products which provide life
>>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
>>to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
>>in order to be successful:
>>
>>Tires, Paper, Upholstery, Floor waxes, Glass, Water
>>Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides,
>>Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen,
>>Heparin, Insulin, Solvents, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides,
>>Gelatin Capsules, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
>>Plywood, Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
>>Wrap and Tape, Abrasives, Steel Ball Bearings
>>
>> The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
>>slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
>>as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
>>their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
>>animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
>>ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
>>future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
>>livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
>>consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
>>being vegan.
>> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
>>steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
>>get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
>>over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
>>get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
>>machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
>>draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
>>likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
>>derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
>>contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
>>better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·
>
>more mindless propaganda.

AFAWK, everything that I point out is true. It's
just that some of us like those truths better than
others of you do.