Dragonblaze wrote:
>> Let me repeat; if you are claiming that humans are
>> natural 'omnivores', then do you kill, dismember, and
>> eat raw your animal prey as all natural 'omnivores' do,
>> with your natural physiology? No guns, no knives, no
>> fire. If not, why not?
>
> We certainly used to - . We now pay other people to
> specialize in things we no longer have time for.
Trying to evade the issue, right? Afraid to face the ugly
reality?
> ... but as with all processes, world has moved on
Are you so ill-educated to assume that the Laws of
Biochemistry have somehow changed over time?
PLEASE provide some scientifically-credible support for this
statement, or be polite enough to withdraw it.
You are not authorized to just make science up to suit your
agenda.
> Let me pose a counterquestion: do you grow ALL your food,
> cultivate the cotton and linen for your clothes, spin
> the thread, weave the cloth, cut and sew the clothes,...
Totally irrelevant and indicative of your intellectual
evasiveness or your failure to comprehend the issues. The
laws of human digestion have NOT CHANGED, as you are implying.
> I would think your reply would be the same as mine.
I have no need to evade the issue, which is that human
biochemistry has NOT changed, as you fallaciously imply.
>> I am focusing on the fact that humans are not NATURAL
>> 'omnivores', but are CULTURAL 'omnivores', conditioned
>> to do so by extant cultural programming -before- one
>> can think for one's self. So, your 'free will' does
>> not exist in such practices because you did not make
>> the informed 'choice' to do so.
Missed this? Not worthy of a thoughtful, intelligent
response? Are you capable of any meaningful conversation?
> See my previous reply.
Hollow, and meaningless.
> As regards the human history, cracked and burnt animal
> bones are found everywhere in archaeological digs, from
> the earliest human sites on.
You are apparently unaware that early humans, pre-tool and
fire ate a totally RAW diet of fruits and leaves, as modern
chimps do. Thus, they left NO long-term remains, such as
those always left by recent flesh-eating tribes.
Thus, raw-eating humans existed, and were eating millions
of years before fire and tools were developed. Try to get
your baby archeology correct before you embarrass yourself like
this repeatedly. Thanks for the laugh.
> ... culturally conditioned, when did this culture in your
> opinion start and why?
Records were not kept, pre-writing. Do you really not
understand culture??
>> Unlike the epidemiology readily available showing the
>> undeniable relationship between meat consumption and
>> "degenerative diseases", I have not found any
>> epidemiology relating diet to "influenza;" apparently,
>> this type of research is being neglected. Can you find
>> any?
>
> No, ...
Strange this research is not being done. Seems like a
major oversight, or is it that colds/flus are just too big
a money maker to be seriously solved.
http://ecologos.org/cleansing.htm
> ... all I can find relates to viral, infectious
> influenza - and the literature on that is extensive.
>
> Could the reason possibly be that the virus infection -
> inflluenza cause-effect be rather well documented and
> researched?
>
>> My personal experience is that I had numerous
>> "colds/flus" every year until I changed my diet in
>> 1969, and I have not had any such events since then.
>> Countless vegans, and especially raw vegans, have
>> experienced the same results. Now, this may be because
>> our immunological systems have gotten 'stronger' by not
>> being suppressed by the toxins associated with the
>> consumption of animal products. I don't know the
>> mechanism, just the results.
Could you explain the FACT that people who transition to a
mostly raw fruit and veg diet permanently stop having
"colds/flus"?
Or, are you going to claim that because -you- don't know any
of hundreds of thousands of such people, they do not exist?
> ...is that something has strenghtened your immune system.
Eliminating the SOURCES of excessive mucus.
See Arnold Ehret: The Mucusless Diet Healing System
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...3027893&sr=8-2
Obviously, stopping eating toxic, excessive, cooked animal
protein and fats have an effect.
Have you read TColin Campbell's The China Study?
TCCampbell; The China Study
http://tinyurl.com/2v689m
video
http://tinyurl.com/6lcda6
This book describes the largest epidemiological study ever
dine relating diet and currently-popular :degenerative
diseases" and he found that consumption of animal protein
and animal fat was THE causes of current "degenerative
diseases".
Are you ignorant of this work?
> .... I get every single cold and flu going, ...
You could eliminate these episodes by simply dietary
change. The question then becomes are the benefits worth
the intelligent change of diet?
http://ecologos.org/cleansing.htm
http://ecologos.org/anatomy.htm
http://ecologos.org/omni.htm
http://ecologos.org/chimphunt.htm
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html#meat
> Being no MD, as I said, quoting a source is the best I
> can do:
You might be better served by seeking out people who have
been totally successful in eliminating "colds/flus" from
their lives than relying on those who have not. Surrounding
yourself with sick people is not healthy; hang out with
active seekers of health -- people actually interested
enough in their own health to be actively experimenting with
plant-based diets. There is a whole universe out there;
lots of things to learn.
IF the body is freed of pounds of stored mucus
(mucoproteins - produced by eating excessive proteins,
especially cooked, animal proteins, and mucopolysaccharides
- produced by eating excessive starches) then there is none
to be expelled by a "cold/flu", and these are gone from
one's life permanently.
So, it is easy to permanently eliminate these "diseases"
from one's life by simple dietary change just as several
hundreds of thousands have done so globally.
Are YOU ready to get healthy?
Laurie
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Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
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