Jahnu > wrote in message >. ..
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:23:10 -0700, Rat & Swan >
> wrote:
>
> >And, as has been so from the beginning, we are no closer to agreement,
> >and probably never will be.
> >
> >Think what you please. But know that I am not intimidated by your
> >attacks or insults, or empty threats of God's wrath, any more than
> >those of any other fundie. You call me "DegeneRat",and I'm supposed not
> >to object. What do you expect, hypocrite? Try treating me civilly,
> >and I'll treat you civilly. "Fundie" isn't much of an insult, next to
> >what you've called me, and I think it's accurate.
> >
> >I also think you are wrong and uncharitable. So there it stands.
>
> Actually, don't be despondent. These people are demons. Like this
> Usual Suspect, he is not a vegetarian. He is a meat head and an
> atheist like all the rest. Such people are beyond reason and logic,
> common sense and even normal decency.

<snip>

Nice reasoning. So if I'm both a vegan (non-meat-head) and an atheist
does that make me a lesser demon? Only somewhat like the rest? Am I
still beyond reason, logic, common sense and decency? Or did I just
stumble upon the reason, logic, etc. that led me to my food and
lifestyle choices. Seems I recall mention that Singer is an atheist as
well, and I see Animal Liberation still listed on many pro-vegan sites
as a must-read.

Perhaps you're just as deserving of the proverbial club-to-the-head.
Or perhaps those same raging male hormones that make you so effective
at head-bashing have gotten in the way of your ability to reason, use
logic, demonstrate decency and/or common sense and have led you to
flagrantly throw about such gratuitous assumptions.

Nonetheless, I find your conclusions to be ridiculous.

Simply as an aside, to lump anyone into your category of "demons" is a
bit unfair. Likely, I am not the only vegan who, at one time in my
life ate meat, had little awareness of what the meat industry was
truly like (gruesome), and to some extent defied anyone to tell me
differently. To be more concise and to the point, I was ignorant. I
had been raised with a set of beliefs, and the idea of relinquishing
those beliefs was much like pulling the earth from beneath my feet.
Many people simply don't want to believe the stories they read about
the meat industry. Some have created for themselves the illusion that
animals are not capable of suffering. Often these are the same people
who have domestic companions and while their companions are capable of
feeling and of suffering, they maintain the hypocritical view that
animals raised for food do not have the same emotional capacity.
I know, because I was one of those people at one time. While, in
retrospect, I am repulsed by the ignorance, stupidity, and
closed-mindedness of my now-distant past, I don't believe it was Satan
or some demon from the pits of hell that had control of my being. Then
again, I don't believe in Satan, so why the hell would I, right?

My point being this: Even those of us enlightened to the world of
suffering that animals are subjected to daily are not perfect beings.
Just when you feel confident that you have found ultimate truth and
understanding, new and unrecognized knowledge lurks about the corner
waiting to pounce and... well, give you a good clubbing to the head, I
suppose.

Assumptions and over-confidence are our worst enemies - this is true
for each and every one of us. Ultimately, I hope that this serves to
educate you on your assumptions.

-Goon