Dutch wrote:

> "Rat & Swan" > wrote
>><snip>

>>>>No -- psychological harm is a form of genuine harm which results from
>>>>the physical violence and coercion of rape. One major harm of rape is
>>>>that it is non-consensual.

>>>Being compelled to do something is a far cry from "genuine, physical
> harm".

>>Really? Let's see how you feel if you are raped.

> The physical harm in most rapes is the assault prompted by the victim
> resisting, or added gratituitously by the rapist. If I demand forcefully
> that a woman have sex with me, and she cooperates out of fear of being
> harmed, then physically all that has happened is sex. Since sex in and of
> itself is not "genuine, physical harm" then by your definition nothing wrong
> has happened.

Genuine harm does not have to involve much physical damage, but the
point is that there is real harm, genuine harm, not that a simple
status is involved, like an age, or being ***, or some such thing.
Change it, perhaps, to "genuine, real harm", or "genuine, objective
harm" -- something involving the real world. I think you understand
what I mean.

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> You're full of shit. Your shitty logic has you running in circles, and
> condoning horrible harm to children, for the sake of protecting the jollies
> of a few perverts. The only logical conclusion is that you are one yourself.

That is certainly not the "only logical conclusion" -- and you know it.

Freedom is always capable of abuse, but freedom is the central value
on which all others are based, and without it, nothing else is
of real value.

Rat