Thanks MEow, I'm new to this newsgroup thing, and he got my goat. I did
notice that he didn't provide any data about the grass fed cattle. I was
not under the impression that most commercially raised cattle were raised on
grass, but were fed agriculturally produced vegetable matter due to limited
grazing space.

"MEow" > wrote in message
...
> While frolicking around in alt.food.vegan, Allyb of OWDS Inc. said:
>
> >You know, I don't even know a single hard core vegan. If that's what
> >they're like Rick, I hope I never do.
> >
> Rich is a known troll. He doesn't do anything but repeating his point
> about collateral deaths, as if we didn't know about them.
>
> He also changed the subject when you asked him about the possibility
> of enough grass fed cows (of the ones who go outdoor all year, or that
> will also cause some collateral deaths, when he claims that grass fed
> beef only causes the death of the cow, itself) to feed all of
> USAmerica.
>
> It's not very good as an alternative, if it's not something which
> sustainably can feed all people, now is it? No, it means that it's
> something which we can't all switch to. So, he can't defend the
> alternative he sets up as a better way than veganism, and if you ask
> him to he'll just continue to go on about collateral deaths. Much
> easier for him than having to defend his idea of meat from grass fed
> cattle.
>
> My advice is to not waste time on the trolls, and ask what you came
> here to ask: there's plenty of people in here who are not like them at
> all.
>
> However, it's all up to you. I'm just adding my opinion here, as I'm
> not normally spending time on them.
> --
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> Unreferenced footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemwiki.pl?ISFN
> "True. Cows and man-eating hats in the same sentence is probably
> overdoing things, though.." Arcum Dagsson (afdaniain)