OK, I won't snip anything out now. I never said I was a vegan. I said I
wasn't a militant vegan, but I'm actually not any kind of vegan, I'm a
vegetarian, and I was just perusing this group and saw something I'd like to
ask a question about. I probably should have made this clear since this is
a vegan newsgroup, but you made an awful lot of assumptions about me from my
post, which originally was what did the poster mean by tofu kills animals?
I'm not trying to make everybody act the same way, I'm just using this
newsgroup as a sounding board to challenge the decisions I've made. I think
debate forces you to really think about your own decisions, and if they have
any real validity. I'm not going to sit in an ivory tower and never listen
to what other people think, because I want to grow, and part of growth is
accepting facts and changing. Oh, I also don't hate people. Why would you
think I hate people just because I think population pressure is changing the
world in a way that is not to my particular liking.

> So I'm brusk. So what. If liars, delusional loons and idiots can't take
> the truth, then maybe they should stick to their religion of hate,
veganism.

You know, I don't even know a single hard core vegan. If that's what
they're like Rick, I hope I never do.



"rick etter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Allyb" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Wow, I am absolutely shocked by the vitriol in some of those responses.
>
> Here, I'll restore the snipping you did for the post you replied to, show
me
> the vitriol you were shocked by:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ====================
> You need sources to know that animals die in food production? What planet
> have you been living on?
> Call monsanto/dow, whoever and just ask them how much pesticde is used
every
> year to deliberately kill animals at storage/processing facilities.
> Go ahead. Do you dare? How many animals do you figure died for a grass
fed
> cow, or game animal? They provide 100s of 1000s of calories from that one
> death. How many deaths do you figure go into the same amount of veggies?
> 10s? 100s? 1000s? More?
>
> Here is a site about *just* birds and just from *pesticides*
> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
>
> That doesn't include the mammals, reptiles, fish, and amphibians that die
> incidentally and deliberately for your cheap, conveninet veggies from any
> number of other ways..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> I
> > said what the research I have read so far has lead me to believe and
asked
> > for more information.
> =======================
> What research and info? Nothing factual, apparently.
>
>
> It is not my full time job to research these issues,
> ======================
> Really? What then would be the job of a vegan when they claim that their
> diet/lifestyle causes no/less/fewer animal death s and suffering? Seems
to
> me that that would precisely be your 'job'. That is, if caring for
animals
> is truely your goal. Of course, that's proven not to be the case as long
as
> you continue your posts to usenet.
>
>
> > so at the age of 35 I admit that I definitely don't know all the facts.
I
> > am constantly looking for information, and unlike some people, I don't
> only
> > look for info that supports what I believe. Calling me stupid, closed
> > minded and fanatical will not stop me from continuing to try to find
what
> I
> > think is the best moral place to be, but it might cause some people to
> react
> > defensively and not even consider your facts.
> =======================
> You won't anyway. You've declared yourself vegan. You live only by a
> simple rule, eat no meat. You have done *no* research into your own
foods.
> Which veggies cause more death and suffering, which ones cause less.
vegans
> won't do that because the have the easy out, focus only on what they think
> others are doing.
> It's not too hard to see, for an open mind, that a diet that eliminates
some
> of the factory-farmed veggies, and replaces it with grass fed beef, or
game,
> would be a better so-called 'moral' choice, if the death and suffering of
as
> few animals as possible is really your goal.
>
>
>
> You might want to reconsider
> > your tactics. Thank you for all the information you provided, I will
look
> > at, and consider it all.
> =====================
> So I'm brusk. So what. If liars, delusional loons and idiots can't take
> the truth, then maybe they should stick to their religion of hate,
veganism.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>