On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 02:33:12 -0500, "Allyb" > wrote:
>Karla, the flaw I see in your reasoning is that to satisfy the demand for
>meat and dairy in this country, it's not possible to raise enough animals on
>grass.
That's not what is being discussed, which I feel sure you are aware of.
What is being discussed is why tofu involves more animal deaths than
grass raised beef does, and why rice milk involves more animal deaths
than grass raised cow milk does. (Rice milk also involves more deaths
than soy milk, which involves more deaths than grass raised cow milk...
are you unable to understand why?)
But since you brought it up, we have no reason to believe that this
country could be fed if no farm animals were raised at all, which is what
"ARAs" want. Animal products go into fertilizers and many other things
that humans--including veg*ns--make much use of:
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Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze
http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
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Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid
http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
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contact-lens care products, glues for paper and cardboard
cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC
http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
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Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
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There's no reason to believe we could feed everyone if people didn't make
use of animal products.
>Therefore enormous farms must harvest many times the produce to feed
>cattle than would be needed to feed humans directly. The cow dies, all the
>little animals in the field (times x) die. I am not a militant vegan, I'm
>not arguing for the sake of it, I'm not even arguing ethics, just straight
>numbers.
No, what you are doing is changing the subject in an attempt to support
veg*nism. If you cared about straight numbers, you would recognise that
some types of meat involve less animal deaths than some types of veggies.
It's pathetic imo that as yet I have **never** seen a veg*n accept that simple
fact. Not one! This shows that veg*ns--every single one of them?--care more
about promoting veg*nism than they do about human influence on animals.