Michael Balarama wrote:
>>Friedrich believes sport hunters should be viewed “with the same
>>revulsion we presently reserve for Nazi doctors and slave traders.” He
>>spearheads PETA’s absurd “Jesus Was a Vegetarian” campaign. Friedrich
>>has even denounced teenage animal-rights activists who dare to question
>>the appropriateness of violent protest.
>
> I used his Jesus was a vegetarian on the TV show I produce-he had a very
> nice screen presence
I think he's very nerdy. I also think his inflammatory rhetoric and open
support for violence should cause sincere and peaceable people to
reconsider their support for PETA.
In any event, this is my rebuttal to claims that Jesus was vegetarian
and/or pro-AR. It's taken from my post in aaev/tpa, so pardon some of
the remarks in it (like references to Hyland, a liberal author) and the
possible break-up of the formatting.
[I wrote:]
>> Jesus and his disciples fished and fed people fish. Was that an
example of misuse of animals?
>
[Another poster:]
> Yes. (Actually, I don't read that Jesus himself fished in person).
[My reply:]
Why did he help (or "enable") them?
When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, "Put out into
deep water, and let down the nets for a catch."
Simon answered, "Master, we've worked hard all night and haven't
caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the
nets."
When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish
that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners
in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and
filled both boats so full that they began to sink.
When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, "Go
away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!" For he and all his
companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had
taken...
Luke 5:4-9 (cp. John 21 for similar post-resurrection account)
Is the following a misuse of animals?
Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion
for these people; they have already been with me three days and
have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or
they may collapse on the way."
His disciples answered, "Where could we get enough bread in this
remote place to feed such a crowd?"
"How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked.
"Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish."
He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the
seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he
broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to
the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the
disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were
left over.
-- Mathew 15:32-37
Or how about his eating fish himself?
When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And
while they still did not believe it because of joy and
amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?"
They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate
it in their presence.
-- Luke 24:40-43
Fact: his disciples weren't ARAs, they were fishermen. Fact: he went out
with them. Fact: he told them where and when to find fish. Fact: he fed
fish to others. Fact: he ate fish himself.
Shall we get into the Passover seder?
On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was
customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked
him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you
to eat the Passover?"
So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the
city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow
him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks:
Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my
disciples?' He will show you a large upper room, furnished and
ready. Make preparations for us there."
The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as
Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
-- Mark 14:12-16
Did he forbid the lamb? No. Hyland has a mountain of evidence against
his positions on animal sacrifice. Even if you refuse to accept the fish
and lamb, consider the following.
A man with leprosy came to him and begged him on his knees, "If
you are willing, you can make me clean."
Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched
the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately the
leprosy left him and he was cured.
Jesus sent him away at once with a strong warning: "See that you
don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest
and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your
cleansing, as a testimony to them."
Mark 1:40-44
And why did Mary and Joseph offer sacrifices? Were these in accordance
with the Law of Moses or an abuse?
[end]
Jesus was NOT vegetarian, nor did he do anything consistent with the
animal rights or "vegan" position. People who make such claims pervert
the truth for their own agendas. It's not called "scholarship" when they
do that, it's called propaganda. It's disrespectful, disingenuous, and
deceitful. People who want to make positive change in the world -- for
their fellow man or for the beasts -- need to start from a point of honesty.
> -and was nicely done-It was to coincide with the Pope
> visiting the USA a few years ago.
> I never met him personally and those peta people are a bit fanatic for me-in
> my later years-
> but the younger crowd has energy to burn and don't wear furs..ha ha-
I didn't support PETA for a number of reasons, but I'm in staunch
opposition to them since learning of their connections to ALF-ELF
terrorists. Anyone who supports PETA supports terror.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/activ....cfm?ORG_ID=21