"Derek" > wrote
>
> "Dutch" > wrote
> > "Derek" > wrote
> > >
> > > "Bill" > wrote
> > > >
> > > > Which "vegans" here on usenet have done *anything*
> > > > concrete to stop killing them? None.
> > > >
> > > Which vegans here on Usenet have done *anything*
> > > concrete to start killing them? None.
> > >
> > > The farmer kills them, so he alone is fully responsible
> > > for every last one of them.
> >
> > The "farmer" is the person who owns the land,
>
> Non sequitur.

How so?

> > he seldom does the killing.
> > With larger operations it's usually an employee that does it.
>
> Then he is responsible.

I thought you said it was the farmer.

"he alone is fully responsible for every last one of them."

Now we must look deeper to see who is truly responsible.

If I hire a killer have I done anything unethical? I haven't killed anyone.

> Whichever way you look at it,
> the moral agent who causes the deaths, or demands that
> they be caused is responsible.

Which is it Derek, the farmer or the farmhand? Could it be that it a number
of people are involved?
>
> > I'm a farmer
>
> No, you aren't. You're a street sweeper.

I'm a farmer, and I don't demand that animals be killed, I just want wheat
to grow on my land and I don't want it to cost 10x as much as the wheat is
worth. The decision to use herbicides is made by the government, it's a
crime to not use them.

Your argument is two-dimensional and hopeless.