"Rat & Swan" > wrote
>
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > Rat & Swan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> Would
> >> you stop attacking me personally if I began eating meat again?
>
> <snip>
>
> >> Wouldn't that make me even more of a hypocrite, given my
> >> views (from your point of view)?
>
> > Slightly.
>
> <snip>
>
> So -- even by your standards, not buying/eating meat and other
> animal products is in accord with my ethical views, and makes me
> less of a hypocrite than I would be if I ate meat, bought
> leather, etc. You agree it is an ethical advance for ME to
> be vegan, and more in accord with my ethical views than for
> me not to be vegan. Which is my position. What you claim is
> that I do not do as much as I possibly could to act completely
> in accord with my ethical views by avoiding all products which
> may have an (undetermined, possible)number of collateral deaths
> associated with their production. I agree.

The question I have is, where do you find the gall to demand that other
people come lock-step into accordance with these admitted half-measures of
yours? What happened to my freedom to take my own half-measures as I see
fit?

> So, since we agree on this point, could you stop attacking me
> personally,

Could you stop your incessant whining?

> and give us your reasons why you feel raising and
> slaughtering animals for food and other products is not unethical?

Because if you just hunted them they'd run out real fast, and if you tried
to make stew or a pair of shoes without killing them first they'd raise a
stink.

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