"Rat & Swan" > wrote in message
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> Bill wrote:
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> > Rat & Swan wrote:
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> >> But I believe that their deaths are a result of and part of the same
> >> mindset which is legitimized by the raising of livestock for food
> >> and other products.
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> > You are colossally wrong. They are the result of your truck with
> > animal-killing farmers.
>
> So after I die, there will be no more CDs, I assume....
> CDs are all _personally_ my fault, have no basis in social
> norms at all. My goodness, I had no idea I had such power....
> <sarcasm>
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Yes, you have the power to stop *your* contributions to animal death and
suffering 'right now'! You won't take that chance, because you are too
lazy, selfish, and convenience oriented. Like all vegans here on usenet,
you mouth the word, yet speak the opposite with your actions.


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> Doesn't this contradict your claim my personal actions are merely
> an ineffectual gesture?
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No, that your 'claims' of any actions are ineffectual. That's because you
ultimately take no real action.


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> >> I believe the system has to be attacked at
> >> its source -- the philosophical view of the nature of animals'
> >> rights.
>
> > And your abstinence from meat does this...exactly how?
>
> It has no effect on the philosophical attitudes of society
> in and of itself -- except for my influence on a few
> specific individuals I know personally. It has had some
> limited effect there, as in my changing the policies of
> one parish toward veal.
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> <snip>
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> >>> just AR as it is preached on usenet. Besides, animals have no rights.
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> >> Which is the philosophical position AR opposes.
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> > You've lost.
>
> Empty words, Jonnie, empty words. You won't even discuss
> your philosophical position. There's a big world out there,
> full of AR supporters and vegetarians/vegans. You can't make us
> disappear by typing at us....
>
> I do believe we are making some progress -- limited and glacial,
> but some progress. Things change slowly, but they do change.
>
> I can't figure out why my being vegan annoys you so much. Would
> you stop attacking me personally if I began eating meat again?
> Wouldn't that make me even more of a hypocrite, given my
> views (from your point of view)?
>
> Rat
> <snip>
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