Bill wrote:

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> Raising animals destined for human consumption is not unjust.

This has potential. Why not, in your opinion?

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>> of animals in our society is a result
>> of the lack of consideration of animals' rights and animals'
>> intrinsic worth which comes from our seeing animals as things,
>> as products, to be bought and sold.

> No. It isn't due to their potential status as property. You are simply
> wrong about that.

Why? Have you read Francione's book on the subject?

>> Everything else, including CDs, comes from that system.

> No, that's completely false.

Why?

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>CDs are not related in any way to property status of food animals.

Why not? I think Francione makes a persuasive case they are.


>> I believe the system is immoral,
>> and should be abolished. You don't. Why not discuss that,
>> instead of providing nothing except personal attack?

> Because your belief that it is immoral is wrong

Why?
> and is knowledgably
> rejected by the massive majority.

Why is that significant in ethical terms?


> They certainly should stop agreeing with his moral reasoning about why
> drug _users_ are bad people.

But then, as I noted, I have never said that meat-eaters or
users of animal products are necessarily bad people.

Rat