you are full of vegan baloney!

first of all eating vegan DOES help animals because it decreases demand
for meat.

second, vegan is not just an eating habit. it is a way of life. many
vegans don't just refrain from eating meat, they also contribute to
organizations such as Farm Sanctuary or PETA, that have many programs
that directly affect the welfare of animals.

now, i have to take particular issue with your portrayal of the meat
industry providing a good life for many animals. That simply is NOT
true. The vast majority of animals raised for meat live HORRIBLE
lives. They are confined to very small areas, pumped with hormones,
body parts removed, and killed in very painful and inhumane ways. Do you
know how a beef cattle is killed? Look it up, it's disgusting. I know,
I live in farm country and I see it every day. Even dairy cows are
often confined to indoor barns and never get to roam. I drive by a
dairy farm almost every day, that is basically a huge metal building
full of cows that can't even turn around. I've never seen them let
outside in years.

your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
crop that kills more animals than meat?

you should get your facts straight before you state them as "facts".

It sounds to me like you are just another meat eater trying to justify
your cruel habit. Virtually all your statements are completely false.
If you do some research, read some books, you'll get the real facts.
But then I suppose you'll turn on your blinders and then start talking
about how vegetables feel just as much pain when they are killed so
there's no reason to be vegetarian. I've actually heard that one
before.

Look, if you want to eat meat, go ahead and do it. No one is stopping
you. Don't try to tell vegetarians that their lifestyle is wrong,
though. Especially if you are going to make your argument is completely
untrue.

Gary

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>
> It appears that in order to think of things in the correct and ethically
> superior way, some people believe we should disregard certain facts.
> Overall it appears to me that veg*ns want to disregard more facts than
> meat consumers, but maybe I'm wrong about that. The following are
> lists of facts that meat eaters want to disregard, and that veg*ns want
> to disregard. If you have more to add, please do so.
>
> Facts that meat consumers want to disregard:
> 1.The meat industry provides life for the billions of animals who are
> killed so we can eat them.
>
> Facts that veg*ns want to disregard:
> 1.The meat industry provides life for the billions of animals who are
> killed so we can eat them.
> 2. Some of the animals raised for food have decent lives.
> 3. Veg*nism does nothing to provide decent lives for farm animals.
> 4. Veg*nism does nothing to help or provide more life for any animals.
> 5. People can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but they
> can't do it by being veg*n.
> 6. Veg*ns contribute to most of the same animal deaths that everyone
> else does by their use of wood, paper, roads, buildings, electricity,
> things that contain animal by-products, and the veggies they eat.
> 7. Some types of meat involve fewer animal deaths than some types of
> veggies.
> 8. Some types of meat involve less animal suffering than some types of
> veggies.