On Jan 7, 5:01*pm, "Musashi" > wrote:
> "Warren" > wrote in message
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> > Wilson wrote:
> >> sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
> >>> On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson > wrote:
> >>>> sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:
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> >>>>> John Doe > wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
> >>>>>>> [ . . . ]
> >>>>>> Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
> >>>>>> If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
> >>>>>> available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
> >>>>>> This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
> >>>>>> crazy.
> >>>>>> As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
> >>>>>> your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>> If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
> >>>>>> tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> like it and leave you alone.
> >>>>> Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> more polite (see above).
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> >>> Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
> >>> to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
> >>> comments later, I don't mince words either.
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> >>>>>> Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
> >>>>>> rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
> >>>>>> paid for.
> >>>>>> If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
> >>>>>> it on anything he serves you.
> >>>>> Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.
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> >>> When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
> >>> requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
> >>> what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
> >>> actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
> >>> make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.
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> >>>>>> By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
> >>>>>> pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
> >>>>>> rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
> >>>>>> anyone else's.
> >>>>>> As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
> >>>>>> eat what I don't enjoy.
> >>>>>> Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
> >>>>>> street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
> >>>>>> to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
> >>>>>> I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
> >>>>>> someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
> >>>>>> talking to their own children.
> >>>>>> Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common
> >>>>>> everyday
> >>>>>> politeness.
> >>>>>> I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my
> >>>>>> food.
> >>>>>> I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
> >>>>>> I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>> meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
> >>>>>> tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
> >>>>> I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding
> >>>>> how I
> >>>>> want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
> >>>>> there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.
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> >>> What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restaurant. I'm a paying
> >>> customer. When I speak to a chef in an American restaurant, I'll speak
> >>> English, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
> >>> think that makes people respect you? Wrong.
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> >>>>>> In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
> >>>>>> eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
> >>>>>> who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
> >>>>>> roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
> >>>>>> The manager of the place agreed with me.
> >>>>> Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
> >>>>> continued as you were, and not put her job in jeopardy.
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> >>> Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
> >>> respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
> >>> Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.
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> >>>> I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
> >>>> agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.
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> >>> Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
> >>> She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
> >>> meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.
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> >>>> Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
> >>>> backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
> >>>> situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
> >>>> have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
> >>>> after you leave the restaurant?
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> >>> Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
> >>> If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
> >>> backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
> >>> to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.
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> >>>>>> Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
> >>>>>> what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
> >>>>>> polite.
> >>>>> By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as
> >>>>> 'gai
> >>>>> jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.
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> >>> I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
> >>> You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
> >>> English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
> >>> enough for you?
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> >>>> I would not
> >>>>> care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that
> >>>>> matter.
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> >>> That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
> >>> yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
> >>> snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
> >>> Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
> >>> cheap shot bullshit.
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> >>>>>> (My 2 cents)
> >>>>> Overvalued!
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> >>> Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?
>
> >>>> I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol
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> >>> I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
> >>> little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
> >>> you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.
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> >>> Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.
>
> >> John Doe, you have mixed up my post and Nick's post together if that
> >> makes any difference. I was trying to support your position ;-)
>
> > FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Although having little to do with the issues or the conflict, the word
> "Nanban" originally meaning
> "barbarian from the south" and eventually "foreign barbarian", hasn't been
> used that way
> for about 300 years. Today if you say "Nanban" you'd be talking about food..
> Chikin Nanban (a type of fried chicken) or Nanban Zuke
> (Fish deep fried and served with a vinegar sauce). Undoubtedly both dishes
> had their
> origins in the dishes brought to Japan by the Portugese in the 1500s.
> Today the word for calling someone barbaric is Yaban and a Barbarian is a
> Yabanjin.
> Musashi-

So I guess he's trying to tell me either I'm fried or a Barbarian.

Those would be two of the nicer things I've been called in my life. I
guess I should be thanking him.

In fact, I do feel better about myself. I've spoken my mind clearly.
Even an idiot would understand.

Very interesting as always, Musashi.

Pardon me if I created any typos. I'm fried.